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Liberals’ lead shrinks as Canadian mood plummets to historic lows

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    terath@sh.itjust.works
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    You know exactly what he’s done. Recognizing a Palestinian state won’t stop the war but it’s an important step.

    There is nothing else Canada can do anyways. Do you want us to get into hot war with Israel and subsequently the US? I don’t. And we have no other leverage.

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      I mean lets face it the only reason Carney won was because of what Trump said. that’s it. We Canadians are honestly pretty dumb when it comes to politics and we sure do love our sound bites. Remember PP had this thing in the bag until Trump opened his mouth and then suddenly we all said “oh yeah…yeah we don’t want that lets vote for the guy that kinda isn’t that” while the NDP “here’s Singh, sure he doesn’t have a single original thought in his head but…yeah it’s the best we can do”

      Like our choices were unoriginal man, nazi man, or none of the above man.

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      karlhungus@lemmy.ca
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      I thought Singh was great, but didn’t stand a chance against white men.

      Carneys been a real disappointment, but I guess he’s not Bitcoin pete

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        He is a Zionist, he wants a “Zionist Palestine”. What does that mean, other then he supports the Zionists agenda of murdering and replacing all Palestinians? At the same time his government continues to sell weapons to Israel, while saying they aren’t.

        Thus, for all intents and purposes, Carney is a Zionist as he is actively supporting Israels goals.

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        terath@sh.itjust.works
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        He defines it right here and it’s not your little fantasy definition: https://youtube.com/shorts/Sjg8r43vPMc

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          bcboy911@lemmy.ca
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          #24

          Liberals got elected on a platform of divorcing the Canadian economy from the Americans and rejuvenating the Canadian economy through nation-building megaprojects from coast to coast built with Canadian natural resources. What do we have so far?

          • No announcements on any megaprojects

          • No homes built, instead just a big tax giveaway to developers

          • all counter-tariffs on the US dropped to appease trump

          • digital services tax repealed to appease trump

          • despite appeasement, no end in sight to US trade war

          • Also started a trade war with China for no reason, so we’re getting spitroasted by tariffs from both superpowers

          • austerity programs at Canada Post leading to the 2nd strike in a year

          Unfortunately I don’t think the NDP or BQ have the balls to topple the government this early, but Carney came into office looking like a MVP and he’s a big fat bust.

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            bcboy911@lemmy.ca
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            Is that what the poster said? This isn’t America, we have 3rd and even 4th and 5th parties to choose from. There’s no reason to vote for the zionist if you want a principled anti-Zionist party like the NDP.

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            • T tigeroovy@lemmy.ca

              To be honest I didn’t really expect anything from Carney beyond being a less insane seeming conservative. Which seems to be what he is.

              I’m not really a fan, but I really dislike Pierre.

              I don’t expect a lot from the people in this country. If more people voted more left of either L or C I might. But we aren’t dealing with an especially intelligent populace. Made worse by the bleed of US style political bullshit into our country like a shit stain we can’t ever get clean.

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              bcboy911@lemmy.ca
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              #26

              Pollievre will do tax cuts, deregulation and austerity while keeping us distracted with 24/7 idiotic conservative culture wars. Carney is doing tax cuts, deregulation and austerity while keeping us distracted with the promise of “nation building projects” that will never materialize. Either way it’s tax cuts, deregulation and austerity. The only difference is the type lies they’re telling to distract us. 🙂

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              • B bcboy911@lemmy.ca

                Is that what the poster said? This isn’t America, we have 3rd and even 4th and 5th parties to choose from. There’s no reason to vote for the zionist if you want a principled anti-Zionist party like the NDP.

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                FaceDeer
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                The Americans have third parties too. And just like in America, voting third party in Canada usually acts as a “spoiler” that helps out a party that doesn’t align ideologically with the voter who’s casting their protest vote. You have to vote strategically in each riding to make your vote actually accomplish something and that usually comes down to a choice between Liberal and Conservative.

                Thanks, first-past-the-post.

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                  bcboy911@lemmy.ca
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                  #28

                  Please do not turn our multi-party democracy into an America-style duopoly with your “strategic voting”. All it’s done is turn our elections into another Red-vs-Blue nightmare where both parties have the same policies and are only differentiated by culture wars.

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                  • B bcboy911@lemmy.ca

                    Please do not turn our multi-party democracy into an America-style duopoly with your “strategic voting”. All it’s done is turn our elections into another Red-vs-Blue nightmare where both parties have the same policies and are only differentiated by culture wars.

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                    FaceDeer
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                    It’s not my decision, unfortunately. It’s a structural feature that’s inherent in first-past-the-post voting. If you don’t vote strategically then you are “throwing your vote away” whether you believe it or not.

                    Canada’s been fortunate in having some ridings where a national “third party” was locally the strategic one to vote for. I myself was fortunate to be able to vote NDP last election, my riding was one of the few where the two leading candidates were NDP and Conservative rather than Liberal and Conservative. Same went for some Bloc voters in Quebec, presumably. But look at the history of Canadian elections, it’s a two-party system in all but name. The times where it wasn’t ultimately a question of “Liberal or Conservative?” Were rare aberrations, and even in those rare cases where there was a viable third party candidate they still only made it as far as opposition.

                    I would very much like to change that. I consider Trudeau’s greatest betrayal to be how he reneged on electoral reform, and I suspect it will be seen as Canada’s last lost opportunity to avoid an American-style future fate. But just because I don’t like it doesn’t mean I can’t recognize the actual situation we’re facing.

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                      Pollievre will do tax cuts, deregulation and austerity while keeping us distracted with 24/7 idiotic conservative culture wars. Carney is doing tax cuts, deregulation and austerity while keeping us distracted with the promise of “nation building projects” that will never materialize. Either way it’s tax cuts, deregulation and austerity. The only difference is the type lies they’re telling to distract us. 🙂

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                      king_bob_iv@startrek.website
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                      Not true, PP would also be directly and purposefully eroding minority rights and be attacking the vulnerable. Carney is at least leaving them alone. As a minority that is being directly targeted in the states right now I am really happy to be in Canada with a PM that isn’t spreading active hate towards me right now. Instead I live in a province where that’s happening. I will take only one level of government hating me.

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                      • T tigeroovy@lemmy.ca

                        To be honest I didn’t really expect anything from Carney beyond being a less insane seeming conservative. Which seems to be what he is.

                        I’m not really a fan, but I really dislike Pierre.

                        I don’t expect a lot from the people in this country. If more people voted more left of either L or C I might. But we aren’t dealing with an especially intelligent populace. Made worse by the bleed of US style political bullshit into our country like a shit stain we can’t ever get clean.

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                        TomatoPotato69
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                        I think we need an actual left-of-centre party. The NDP is just a right-of-centre party who support some minor social programs as long as they don’t interfere too much with extracting money via capitalism. I’m not looking for a socially progressive right-of-centre party. I want to see an actual left-of-centre party. A party that would nationalise our resources and use the proceeds to fund centralised housing, healthcare, education, parks and recreation spaces, infrastructure, and other things that people need and enjoy. A party that wants to improve labour standards and invest in ourselves, and move away from US style capitalism. It can be done.

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                          Not true, PP would also be directly and purposefully eroding minority rights and be attacking the vulnerable. Carney is at least leaving them alone. As a minority that is being directly targeted in the states right now I am really happy to be in Canada with a PM that isn’t spreading active hate towards me right now. Instead I live in a province where that’s happening. I will take only one level of government hating me.

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                          bcboy911@lemmy.ca
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                          True, it’s like a hostage situation. Conservatives threaten to harm trans kids, or immigrants or whatever, and Liberals say “you’ll have the vote for us if you want $(minority group) to live, but don’t worry, you can vote your conscience next election”, then never do anything to actually protect those minority groups in law, so the cycle repeats next election.

                          Liberals will never give real protection to vulnerable people because they want them to be constantly under threat of the Conservatives to keep the left from voting for the actual left-wing parties that WOULD give those groups protection that isn’t subject to the whims of whatever party is in charge. Diabolical.

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                          • B bcboy911@lemmy.ca

                            Liberals got elected on a platform of divorcing the Canadian economy from the Americans and rejuvenating the Canadian economy through nation-building megaprojects from coast to coast built with Canadian natural resources. What do we have so far?

                            • No announcements on any megaprojects

                            • No homes built, instead just a big tax giveaway to developers

                            • all counter-tariffs on the US dropped to appease trump

                            • digital services tax repealed to appease trump

                            • despite appeasement, no end in sight to US trade war

                            • Also started a trade war with China for no reason, so we’re getting spitroasted by tariffs from both superpowers

                            • austerity programs at Canada Post leading to the 2nd strike in a year

                            Unfortunately I don’t think the NDP or BQ have the balls to topple the government this early, but Carney came into office looking like a MVP and he’s a big fat bust.

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                            ikidd@lemmy.world
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                            Counter-tariffs just raise prices here. They were a terrible idea to start with, just like tariffs are in general. The digital services tax was on its way out even before Trump was elected. China likes kicking people when they’re down so we got restrictions on ag products just to twist the knife.

                            Plenty of reasons to be pissed off with the Liberals, but those aren’t some of them.

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                            • T terath@sh.itjust.works

                              You know exactly what he’s done. Recognizing a Palestinian state won’t stop the war but it’s an important step.

                              There is nothing else Canada can do anyways. Do you want us to get into hot war with Israel and subsequently the US? I don’t. And we have no other leverage.

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                              NoneOfUrBusiness
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                              Recognizing a Palestinian state won’t stop the war but it’s an important step.

                              It would be an important step within a context of action, but when the context is unchanged complicity it’s hard to see it as anything but a smokescreen.

                              There is nothing else Canada can do anyways.

                              Boycott, Divest, Sanction moment. Other than that, send the navy to escort their activists going on a humanitarian mission in international waters. Should the Canadian government not be protecting its citizens?

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                              • J jack_burton@lemmy.ca

                                While I wish Carney was more openly ‘elbows up’ I acknowledge there’s a tonne at that level of government I don’t really know about. I’d say at this point, yeah, I’m disappointed in Carney, but for now I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. From day one his path was to pull away from the strongest ally Canada has ever had and an ally we were near-totally tied to. It takes time to find alternate deals and countries to replace those broken agreements. Cutting ties instantly would have led to the greatest recession Canada has ever seen and may well have destroyed the country. Honestly, if he announces some major shifts to other countries within his first year I’d expect that to be a pretty significant success.

                                Just like how Trump’s policies have taken 6 to 8 months to start showing results in the US, moving away from a country we were so closely tied to will not only take a long time to do, but seeing the results will take longer beyond that. Carney’s only been PM for 8 months and is arguably facing the greatest challenge any PM has had to face in decades. I’ve tempered my expectations and am waiting to see how the next few months play out. My hope is that he’s just stringing Trump along until we get our shit sorted, like setting up a new job and place to live before leaving an abusive relationship.

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                                jason2357@lemmy.ca
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                                Canadian imports and exports are an absolutely massive ship to change course -especially when a lot of private contracts are years into the future. That said, we are already trading a lot more with pretty much everyone except the US.

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                                  Counter-tariffs just raise prices here. They were a terrible idea to start with, just like tariffs are in general. The digital services tax was on its way out even before Trump was elected. China likes kicking people when they’re down so we got restrictions on ag products just to twist the knife.

                                  Plenty of reasons to be pissed off with the Liberals, but those aren’t some of them.

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                                  bcboy911@lemmy.ca
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                                  Counter-tariffs just raise prices here. They were a terrible idea to start with, just like tariffs are in general

                                  No they aren’t, blanket tariffs the way Trump is doing it is stupid, but counter-tariffs on American products that can be replaced with made-in-Canada products works and helps keep jobs in Canada.

                                  The digital services tax was on its way out even before Trump was elected

                                  This is also wrong… the Digital Services tax was introduced as a Liberal priority all the way back in 2020 and passed in 2024. It probably would have been repealed by Pollievre if he won, but Liberals repealing their own years-in-the-making policy, a day before going into effect as an act of appeasement to Donald Trump was definitely not inevitable.

                                  China likes kicking people when they’re down so we got restrictions on ag products just to twist the knife.

                                  Their tariffs on us are counter-tariffs in response to us imposing a 100% tax on Chinese-made solar panels.

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                                  • B bcboy911@lemmy.ca

                                    Counter-tariffs just raise prices here. They were a terrible idea to start with, just like tariffs are in general

                                    No they aren’t, blanket tariffs the way Trump is doing it is stupid, but counter-tariffs on American products that can be replaced with made-in-Canada products works and helps keep jobs in Canada.

                                    The digital services tax was on its way out even before Trump was elected

                                    This is also wrong… the Digital Services tax was introduced as a Liberal priority all the way back in 2020 and passed in 2024. It probably would have been repealed by Pollievre if he won, but Liberals repealing their own years-in-the-making policy, a day before going into effect as an act of appeasement to Donald Trump was definitely not inevitable.

                                    China likes kicking people when they’re down so we got restrictions on ag products just to twist the knife.

                                    Their tariffs on us are counter-tariffs in response to us imposing a 100% tax on Chinese-made solar panels.

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                                    ikidd@lemmy.world
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                                    counter-tariffs on American products that can be replaced with made-in-Canada products works and helps keep jobs in Canada.

                                    Well, you and I and most economists will have to disagree about how tariffs “work”. The local industries they were supposedly protecting either don’t exist or actively dislike tariffs that are supposed to help them. Because a falling tide sinks all boats. Tariffs are inflationary, end of message.

                                    Repealing or delaying the DST was part of the OECD treaty obligations that most of the other countries involved had been doing since it was set up in 2021 with the revamping of the multinational tax treaties. Maybe Trump’s bullshit was the nail in the coffin, but it sure wasn’t the first and they just followed the other 140 countries involved that shut that down last year if they even still had them.

                                    And solar panels have had the 165% tariff (not 100%) from China on them since sometime in the mid teens (https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/sima-lmsi/mif-mev/sml-eng.html) and we see the incredible effect that has had on the growth of our burgeoning home-grown solar panels industry in Canada, have we not? Because tariffs work, amirite? I hate this tariff with a passion because I’m entirely offgrid and have tried to jump through all the hoops to get my panels at the prices I see on Alibaba, but they aren’t going anywhere because China subsidizes their panels so heavily.

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                                      counter-tariffs on American products that can be replaced with made-in-Canada products works and helps keep jobs in Canada.

                                      Well, you and I and most economists will have to disagree about how tariffs “work”. The local industries they were supposedly protecting either don’t exist or actively dislike tariffs that are supposed to help them. Because a falling tide sinks all boats. Tariffs are inflationary, end of message.

                                      Repealing or delaying the DST was part of the OECD treaty obligations that most of the other countries involved had been doing since it was set up in 2021 with the revamping of the multinational tax treaties. Maybe Trump’s bullshit was the nail in the coffin, but it sure wasn’t the first and they just followed the other 140 countries involved that shut that down last year if they even still had them.

                                      And solar panels have had the 165% tariff (not 100%) from China on them since sometime in the mid teens (https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/sima-lmsi/mif-mev/sml-eng.html) and we see the incredible effect that has had on the growth of our burgeoning home-grown solar panels industry in Canada, have we not? Because tariffs work, amirite? I hate this tariff with a passion because I’m entirely offgrid and have tried to jump through all the hoops to get my panels at the prices I see on Alibaba, but they aren’t going anywhere because China subsidizes their panels so heavily.

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                                      bcboy911@lemmy.ca
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                                      There are no Canadian-made panels because we don’t tariff the panels coming in from the US and other Asian countries. Only China is singled out because Canada is playing second fiddle on the US’s new cold war strategy against China - sucks that we aren’t a sovereign country that can make our own policies and forge relationships with whatever country we want, but it is what it is. 51st state, baby!

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                                      • J jason2357@lemmy.ca

                                        Canadian imports and exports are an absolutely massive ship to change course -especially when a lot of private contracts are years into the future. That said, we are already trading a lot more with pretty much everyone except the US.

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                                        CBC News tracks how trade between Canada and other countries has changed since Donald Trump came back to power.

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                                        jack_burton@lemmy.ca
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                                        Wow I haven’t seen this, it’s put together really well. Great to see those numbers!

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                                        • B bcboy911@lemmy.ca

                                          Is that what the poster said? This isn’t America, we have 3rd and even 4th and 5th parties to choose from. There’s no reason to vote for the zionist if you want a principled anti-Zionist party like the NDP.

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                                          mrdown@lemmy.world
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                                          We have 4 major parties. BC only care about quebec npd was destroyed in the last election. We sre not in the same situation as the USA

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