No deal with amerika will be in the best interest of Canadians. Trump/Repubs are too greedy

We should just bill by the hour for negotiations and have a signing fee. They probably won’t even think it’s odd.

The agreement will be fucked with either way so may as well.

He is good at saying the right things. Liberals in general aren’t terrible at saying what people want to hear. When it comes to doing what they said, that’s another story.

What has he said he was going to do that he hasn’t done yet?

You could look at him removing the digital services tax and negotiating with the US as anti-Canada things he’s done

Despite him saying he’s looking out for Canada

You could look at him removing the digital services tax and negotiating with the US as anti-Canada things he’s done

Despite him saying he’s looking out for Canada

One could look at it like that, but I do not see why they would. Can you explain why one would see it that way?

I would argue this time Carney’s comment is a worthless plattitude. You can sign anything and claim it was the best deal for Canada.

The agreement will be fucked

Worthless. There is no deal to be had with Trump. He is a bad faith actor not bound by honour, credibility, a supreme court, the rule of law or Congress.

There is literally no point in negotiating anything. Whatever agreement that is signed, won’t be honored.

We’re going to learn this the hard way, again.

What supports your argument?

Not the other guy, but I’ve been disappointed so far. For a PM elected, almost entirely, based on taking a firm stance against the US, he hasn’t taken that approach.

Now maybe there’s more going on behind the scenes, and the final agreement hasn’t come out, but I’ve been disappointed with what’s been publicized. I’m open to my view changing, but believing that conciliation works with bullies, or that any agreement is worth anything (considering Trump ripped up deals he previously wrote in his last term) is ridiculous.

Yeah, the semantics are already on display in what they’re saying here. “a deal that will be in the best interest of Canadians” can be spun really easily.

“Yes, we bent over and spread our cheeks by removing a ton of protections in various industries, selling out those interests to Trump’s whims… but securing lower tariffs on all other trade was in the best interest of Canadians in general”

“Yes, we capitulated on every point you mention, but a trade deal with the US is still better than no trade deal with the US, for the interests of Canada”

“Sure, we brought in legislation that lets us suppress Canadian’s rights, so that we can allow US companies to ignore things like environmental concerns while they extract Canada’s resources and sell them for US profit… but doing that’s in Canada’s best interest, compared to getting invaded/annexed”.

It’s just like how they scream elbows up! Let’s avoid American control in our gov procurement! Except for Microsoft, or other tech giants, even though they’re heavily implicated in the authoritarian shift down south… cause that’d be hard to change, and all our stuff is in their cloud already…

The logic of what I just said.

I would argue this time Carney’s comment is a worthless plattitude. You can sign anything and claim it was the best deal for Canada.

What does a good deal for Canada look like to you?

There is no deal to be had with Trump. He is a bad faith actor not bound by honour, credibility, a supreme court, the rule of law or Congress.

There is literally no point in negotiating anything. Whatever agreement that is signed, won’t be honored.

I have to agree. What’s the point of “negotiating” with a criminal fraudster? He literally changes his mind more than he changes his underwear. There is no “deal” or “contract” or “agreement” with him.

“The Government of Canada will not accept a bad deal,” Carney said in French in Huntsville, Ont., Tuesday. “Our objective is not to reach a deal whatever it costs. We are pursuing a deal that will be in the best interest of Canadians.”

When it comes to the prospect of reaching a deal, Carney said “we’ll see” and that “complex negotiations” continue. He said if there isn’t a deal that works for Canada, his government will “take stock” and consider what to do next.

This doesn’t sound like what you are describing, and seems firm considering how dangerous of a situation this is.

“I’ve had over 80 bilaterals with world leaders since I became prime minister. A number of the premiers have been on major trade missions. We have other things to do,” he said.

This sounds like the Government has other plans for when Trump talks fall through. Which has been being worked on over the last few months. From trade to arms procurement there is a lot of diversification efforts happening across governments.

There is a lot going on and the focus doesn’t really seem to be getting something from the US anytime soon.

With the US? It has nothing to do with Canada and everything to do with the US honouring a deal, let alone a fair one based on reciprocity and mutual benefit.

Trump is a bad faith actor who is bound by no court, no law or Congress. There is no deal to be had. He won’t honour anything. We are wasting our time.

All we can do is reciprocate. They want Tarrifs, let’s fucking GOOOOOOO! Wherever it hurts. Oil, energy, materials and critical resources. In equal measure to what they do to us. We must undo the 35 years of NAFTA integration and stand on our own two feet.

The question was what has Carney done (or not done) that he said he would (or would not) do.

He was elected on a strong, elbows up approach. So far, he has capitulated on the DST without us seeing any gain or concessions from that. And no, returning to the bargaining table does not count.

Not suspended the DST pending an agreement, but rescinded fully. My point is that he has not taken the firm stance I expected of him.

I agree - given that trump was the one who made the last round of NAFTA (aka the USMCA cuz god forbid the US isn’t the first in the title), which he has now torn up, there is no reason to expect him to honour any agreement we make now.

I’d prefer to not jump right into a pissing match with an enormous economy like the US, but I think we can stand firm on what we let them push us to do. I’d like to see any tariffs we do apply directly solely to small businesses which can shoe a demonstrable loss in revenue due to the tariffs, but given Carney/lib history, I’m guessing it’ll be gobbled up by larger corps instead.

Time will tell how his capitulation on the DST goes, but so far I’m not impressed.

Now maybe there’s more going on behind the scenes,

It would be naive to think there isn’t.