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Why more youth are landing in the ER with vomiting from cannabis use

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  • S showroom7561@lemmy.ca

    Ah ok, “they” meant cannabis magazines.

    Before legalization, there really weren’t many other places promoting cannabis (maybe there was, but marketing back then was very different from now), so the promotion of their safety came from those sources (unfortunately).

    Worse yet, as the plans to legalize were getting closer, I remember a massive push on social media by people promoting cannabis as a cure-all for just about anything: mental health, cancer, anxiety, bowel problems, etc. They used the Trojan horse of “medicinal use” to bring it into everyone’s life.

    I’m sure there was industry influence, because it was extremely rare to see people pointing out the harms of cannabis back then.

    The experts were on the side of legalization, so they weren’t really ignored. If by experts you mean people who study public health policy and narcotrafficking.

    Decriminalization is one thing, and experts were certainly in support of decriminalization.

    But legalization, as in “allow stores to sell these everywhere and to everyone”, just like alcohol and cigarettes, became a fucking disaster, and now we are seeing the result of what the experts warned us about.

    What are these experts saying nowadays? What I see is a consensus that it has a pretty good move.

    Again, they still agree that decriminalization was the right move. But experts, doctors, law enforcement, educators… all see what a disaster this has become.

    We knew that normalizing cannabis and selling it everywhere would lead to more DUI, more hospitalizations, more poisoning of small children, lower academic performance in teens… just wait until the wave of long-term harm begins to surface. How will our healthcare system even handle that burden? Experts have warned us for decades, and still do.

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    Amnesigenic
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    A disaster? Be serious

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    • U ulrich_the_old@lemmy.ca

      I am an old fellow who has been using cannabis almost daily since 1966. I have never heard of these symptoms. I hang out with many other old people with similar profiles. I have asked around nobody has heard of these symptoms. This article reads like bad AI.

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      zombifrancis@sh.itjust.works
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      It’s been the go-to opinion of the (pharmaceutical) medical community right about since… immediately after some states decriminalized.

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      • AmnesigenicA Amnesigenic

        It’s still the safest recreational substance in existence by a fantastically wide margin

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        showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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        #46

        Safe in the sense that it won’t kill you outright like fentanyl.

        But it’s not safe.

        It doesn’t have to be as bad as other drugs to be a cause for concern.

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        • U ulrich_the_old@lemmy.ca

          I am an old fellow who has been using cannabis almost daily since 1966. I have never heard of these symptoms. I hang out with many other old people with similar profiles. I have asked around nobody has heard of these symptoms. This article reads like bad AI.

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          Angry_Autist (he/him)
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          And I am an old fellow that has been using cannabis daily since 1993 and I can tell you first hand cannabis emesis is absolutely a thing and is exactly as described, AND is relieved by hot showers.

          It comes from CHRONIC high dosages such as vaping, concentrates, and those who smoke joints like cigarettes.

          I have had these symptoms in my 30s when I used to grow and make tinctures, but I didn’t need a doctor I just stopped smoking for a few days and then kept it light.

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          A Comprehensive Review and Update on Cannabis Hyperemesis Syndrome

          Cannabis, derived from Cannabis sativa plants, is a prevalent illicit substance in the United States, containing over 400 chemicals, including 100 cannabinoids, each affecting the body’s organs differently upon ingestion. Cannabis hyperemesis ...

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          It’s pretty disgusting that people just upvote whatever

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          • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

            It’s real, a person I know went through it. They basically just smoked a bong all day, every day. Creates a paralysis like effect on your intestines.

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            Angry_Autist (he/him)
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            yuppers, I got it through overusing tincture

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            • someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.comS someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com

              I’ve read a little about it once in a while. Apparently one of the ways to treat this is to administer haloperidol, an antipsychotic, to relieve the symptoms. It’s not a very long lasting condition either, especially if the user can recognize that weed’s causing it and just stops for a little while.

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              Angry_Autist (he/him)
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              yeah my symptoms went away in less than 3 days and did not recur as long as I kept my intake reasonable

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              • D dermanus@lemmy.ca

                I’m a daily user for years and I’ve never heard of this. I wonder if it has to do with the way they’re consuming it. Shady vapes from the internet could be causing trouble, not the thc itself.

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                Angry_Autist (he/him)
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                It’s the THC itself you just need a stupidly large amount consistently over a long time to get emesis

                And people like you throwing shade on the vape industry isn’t helping,

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                • ikidd@lemmy.worldI ikidd@lemmy.world

                  I smoked dope and hash like a fiend when I was a kid, I never experienced or even heard of this.

                  Though I did get the munchies.

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                  Angry_Autist (he/him)
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                  It’s real, you just did reasonable amounts.

                  You need like chronically stupid amounts for emesis to kick in

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                  • kbalK kbal

                    I like how “used it in the past year” in one paragraph mysteriously becomes “regular, heavy use” in the next.

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                    Angry_Autist (he/him)
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                    Emesis doesn’t happen except in extreme cases with long term multiple times a day use

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                    • S showroom7561@lemmy.ca

                      It need to all go.

                      Sounds like we agree.

                      I also don’t want to see maple magats, huge diesel trucks idling with no one in them, indigenous people being arrested,killed and harassed for existing, churches…I hate fucking churches…every single one needs to go.

                      Not sure what any of that has to do with drugs harming kids, but OK.

                      Google maps also has all those places. They’re promoting hatred and alcoholism.

                      They are. We agree on that, too.

                      You sound like a child.

                      OK. We seem to be agreeing on the same things, so… I guess you sound like a child, too? 🤔

                      I have concerns about drugs influencing our most vulnerable, and the external pressures that make it difficult for them to avoid it.

                      As an alcoholic, one would think you’d agree that it’s a problem.

                      Not sure what your personal beef with me is, though. 🤷‍♂️

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                      walktheplank@lemmy.world
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                      #53

                      You are using an argument you have no idea about. You sound childish. Framing it to protect me and people like me is a cop out because you do not understand us at all or addiction and recovery so it’s certainly not about that. It is evident in the way you speak and your ideas about people in situations like mine.

                      My comments were sarcasm. Obviously lost on you. To think that you could eliminate or hide everything that offends someone from life completely is also a childish outlook. It’s simply not possible and most grown ups recognise this.

                      On the other hand…can we start with the churches? Should we burn or bulldoze them?

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                      • S showroom7561@lemmy.ca

                        Safe in the sense that it won’t kill you outright like fentanyl.

                        But it’s not safe.

                        It doesn’t have to be as bad as other drugs to be a cause for concern.

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                        Amnesigenic
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                        Safe in the sense that it won’t kill you at all, yes, in a literal sense, in a “you’re either stupid or lying if you pretend otherwise” sense. This is the most alarmist article anyone could come up with and it describes vomiting and moderate discomfort that goes away again forever as soon as you take a tolerance break. You are a joke.

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                        • W walktheplank@lemmy.world

                          You are using an argument you have no idea about. You sound childish. Framing it to protect me and people like me is a cop out because you do not understand us at all or addiction and recovery so it’s certainly not about that. It is evident in the way you speak and your ideas about people in situations like mine.

                          My comments were sarcasm. Obviously lost on you. To think that you could eliminate or hide everything that offends someone from life completely is also a childish outlook. It’s simply not possible and most grown ups recognise this.

                          On the other hand…can we start with the churches? Should we burn or bulldoze them?

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                          showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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                          To think that you could eliminate or hide everything that offends someone from life completely is also a childish outlook.

                          “Everything”. I never suggested such.

                          Look, we were able to drop cigarette use by using simple strategies like not having them displayed “in your face” at shops, and cutting advertising.

                          If we can’t do the same for other drugs, then it’s due to a lack of trying.

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                          • AmnesigenicA Amnesigenic

                            Safe in the sense that it won’t kill you at all, yes, in a literal sense, in a “you’re either stupid or lying if you pretend otherwise” sense. This is the most alarmist article anyone could come up with and it describes vomiting and moderate discomfort that goes away again forever as soon as you take a tolerance break. You are a joke.

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                            showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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                            I’m assuming then, that you aren’t aware of the decades of research on cannabis, especially when smoked, showing harm in other areas of human health?

                            Have a read.

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                            • S showroom7561@lemmy.ca

                              To think that you could eliminate or hide everything that offends someone from life completely is also a childish outlook.

                              “Everything”. I never suggested such.

                              Look, we were able to drop cigarette use by using simple strategies like not having them displayed “in your face” at shops, and cutting advertising.

                              If we can’t do the same for other drugs, then it’s due to a lack of trying.

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                              walktheplank@lemmy.world
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                              We dropped cigarette use with a massive anti smoking campaign that lasted decades. Not by hiding it behind the counter.

                              How come I can’t extend your outrage to churches? Seems a reasonable expectation since we’re hiding things that destroy lives.

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                              • W walktheplank@lemmy.world

                                We dropped cigarette use with a massive anti smoking campaign that lasted decades. Not by hiding it behind the counter.

                                How come I can’t extend your outrage to churches? Seems a reasonable expectation since we’re hiding things that destroy lives.

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                                showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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                                We dropped cigarette use with a massive anti smoking campaign that lasted decades. Not by hiding it behind the counter.

                                We used many approaches, which should be applied to the currently promoted drugs you see being sold in stores.

                                How come I can’t extend your outrage to churches? Seems a reasonable expectation since we’re hiding things that destroy lives.

                                Churches… the building? Or religion? I’d love to organized religion die, but church buildings should stand as either historical landmarks, or repurposed to house the homeless.

                                Where do we start?

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                                • AmnesigenicA Amnesigenic

                                  I suppose you could describe attributing child neglect deaths to marijuana use as interesting, in a “wow I wonder what batshit nonsense they’ll blame the safest recreational drug in existence for next” sort of way

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                                  bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                                  I think alcohol abuse destroys lives, but so does Marijuana abuse. One isn’t better than the other.

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                                  • rivalarrival@lemmy.todayR rivalarrival@lemmy.today

                                    You have accurately explained my criticism.

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                                    bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                                    Yeah just could let it sit with people believing its causation

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                                    • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

                                      I think alcohol abuse destroys lives, but so does Marijuana abuse. One isn’t better than the other.

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                                      Amnesigenic
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                                      If you think marijuana and alcohol are equally harmful then you aren’t qualified to walk and chew at the same time

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                                      • S showroom7561@lemmy.ca

                                        I’m assuming then, that you aren’t aware of the decades of research on cannabis, especially when smoked, showing harm in other areas of human health?

                                        Have a read.

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                                        Amnesigenic
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                                        Nothing in your link proves me wrong, if you’d bothered to read it you’d know that, you’re either illiterate or lying

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                                        • AmnesigenicA Amnesigenic

                                          Nothing in your link proves me wrong, if you’d bothered to read it you’d know that, you’re either illiterate or lying

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                                          showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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                                          Oh, come on now. You are arguing in bath faith if you couldn’t find one thing that “proves you wrong”.

                                          Here are just a few from that link, and each topic is explored in depth if you click through the supporting links on that page:

                                          “Hospitalizations for psychotic disorder related to cannabis use accounted for one-third of mental or behavioural disorders between 2006–2015, increasing more than 25 per cent during this time.”

                                          “Cannabis smoke contains chemicals (toxins, carcinogens and irritants) that are known to negatively affect lung health.”

                                          “Smoking cannabis may suppress the immune system, which can make you more prone to infection from viruses.”

                                          “Regular cannabis use can increase the risk of developing psychosis and schizophrenia…”

                                          “Cannabis impairs the cognitive and motor abilities necessary to operate a motor vehicle and doubles the risk of being involved in a collision.”

                                          “Cannabis, when inhaled, can potentially trigger stroke, heart attack or inflammation of arteries, especially in those who use cannabis heavily.”

                                          “Regular use of these products [edibles] has been associated with problematic cannabis use, cannabis use disorder and mental health disorders.”

                                          “Based on existing research and because of the associated risks of harms, cannabis use should only be considered for people who do not respond to first- and second-line treatments.”

                                          “Most of the cases of emerging lung and respiratory disorders have been linked to vaping products containing THC from cannabis extracts.”

                                          “Regular cannabis use is associated with changes in brain structure and function, including changes to the brain’s natural reward pathways.”

                                          “Regular cannabis use is generally associated with more harmful rather than beneficial effects among people with mental health conditions.”

                                          “Frequent cannabis use during pregnancy is associated with … Altered neurodevelopment and cognition, and academic under-achievement; and behavioural disturbances among children and young adults, including attention deficits, increased hyperactivity and impulsivity, and increased likelihood of delinquency and substance use.”

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