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      I do not remember a single part of the Liberal election platform that said “We won’t cut funding in public services”. The only thing I can remember being exclusively off the table were cuts to Provincial transfers.

      It would be nice if the article cited those promises, but that is the Ottawa Citizen (Post media) for you.

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        I do not remember a single part of the Liberal election platform that said “We won’t cut funding in public services”. The only thing I can remember being exclusively off the table were cuts to Provincial transfers.

        It would be nice if the article cited those promises, but that is the Ottawa Citizen (Post media) for you.

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        Here’s the platform.

        We are also committed to capping, not cutting, public service employment. Federal workers deliver essential services to Canadians and are critical to helping Canada meet this moment of crisis. As part of our review of spending we will ensure that the size of the federal public service meets the needs of Canadians.

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          Has anything actually gotten better in Canada while we inflated bureaucracy 40%?

          I can’t see a single thing personally so I’m actully curious.

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            The Ottawa Citizen is American owned media pretending to be Canadian, infiltrating Canadian culture and politics.

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              Here’s the platform.

              We are also committed to capping, not cutting, public service employment. Federal workers deliver essential services to Canadians and are critical to helping Canada meet this moment of crisis. As part of our review of spending we will ensure that the size of the federal public service meets the needs of Canadians.

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              arkouda@lemmy.ca
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              I think it is important to read the whole thing and not cherry pick.

              The federal government has been spending too much. There are federal programs and processes that aren’t working as well as they should, and projects that need to be reviewed as we adjust to the priorities of this challenging moment. We need to be efficient and effective in all that we spend, while empowering a world-class, tech-enabled public service.

              A Mark Carney-led government will launch a comprehensive review of government spending in order to increase the federal government’s productivity. This review will focus on clear targets by departments and Crown Corporations with an iterative process that deploys best approaches across the public sector. A portion of these savings will be redeployed to invest in technology and people in order to improve the quality of what the federal government does, such as reducing the time it takes to process an EI payment. Some examples of what the review could focus on:

              Amalgamating service delivery so there is one point of access for Canadians in how they interact with government programs, that meets the customer service standards we have come to expect in a digital enabled economy.

              Consolidating grants and contributions that serve similar purposes and are delivered to the same organizations across multiple departments, increasing impact.

              Better leveraging technology to improve the automation of routine tasks and inquiries from the public and reducing the need for additional hiring. Significantly reducing reliance on external consultants, while improving the capacity of the public service to hire expertise in-house.

              Better managing litigation and contingent liabilities and improving asset management practices.

              Following the initial results of this review, we will institute a permanent process to link spending and outcomes across departments and continuous improvement in spending control. We will focus performance on a smaller and clearer set of things that matter to real people, such as the number of homes built and how long it takes to get an EI cheque.

              As part of this review, the government will consider where AI can be leveraged to enhance productivity in government. We will look at every new dollar being spent through the lens of how AI and technology can improve service and reduce costs.

              We are also committed to capping, not cutting, public service employment. Federal workers deliver essential services to Canadians and are critical to helping Canada meet this moment of crisis. As part of our review of spending we will ensure that the size of the federal public service meets the needs of Canadians.

              Additionally, recognizing that it’s time to change the way Canada does procurement, we will modernize our defence procurement to ensure our Forces can buy the tools and equipment they need, in a timely way, working with trusted partners.

              As a result of the main investments and savings proposed in this plan, direct program expenses are projected to grow at an average rate of less than 2% per cent per year through 2028-29. This compares to a compound annual growth of nearly 9 percent over the previous decade. This is what spending less, and investing more is all about.

              From the article:

              On July 7, Finance Minister François-Philippe Champagne sent letters to ministers asking them to find 15 per cent savings over three years in their departments. He has asked them to come up with savings of 7.5 per cent during the 2026-27 fiscal year, with an additional 2.5 per cent the year after and 5 per cent in 2028-29.

              I am not seeing a promise broken here. The departments are being asked to come up with savings, and those savings are not “Lay off everyone” as is being suggested by the Unions. We currently do not know what each department will look to trim.

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                I think it is important to read the whole thing and not cherry pick.

                The federal government has been spending too much. There are federal programs and processes that aren’t working as well as they should, and projects that need to be reviewed as we adjust to the priorities of this challenging moment. We need to be efficient and effective in all that we spend, while empowering a world-class, tech-enabled public service.

                A Mark Carney-led government will launch a comprehensive review of government spending in order to increase the federal government’s productivity. This review will focus on clear targets by departments and Crown Corporations with an iterative process that deploys best approaches across the public sector. A portion of these savings will be redeployed to invest in technology and people in order to improve the quality of what the federal government does, such as reducing the time it takes to process an EI payment. Some examples of what the review could focus on:

                Amalgamating service delivery so there is one point of access for Canadians in how they interact with government programs, that meets the customer service standards we have come to expect in a digital enabled economy.

                Consolidating grants and contributions that serve similar purposes and are delivered to the same organizations across multiple departments, increasing impact.

                Better leveraging technology to improve the automation of routine tasks and inquiries from the public and reducing the need for additional hiring. Significantly reducing reliance on external consultants, while improving the capacity of the public service to hire expertise in-house.

                Better managing litigation and contingent liabilities and improving asset management practices.

                Following the initial results of this review, we will institute a permanent process to link spending and outcomes across departments and continuous improvement in spending control. We will focus performance on a smaller and clearer set of things that matter to real people, such as the number of homes built and how long it takes to get an EI cheque.

                As part of this review, the government will consider where AI can be leveraged to enhance productivity in government. We will look at every new dollar being spent through the lens of how AI and technology can improve service and reduce costs.

                We are also committed to capping, not cutting, public service employment. Federal workers deliver essential services to Canadians and are critical to helping Canada meet this moment of crisis. As part of our review of spending we will ensure that the size of the federal public service meets the needs of Canadians.

                Additionally, recognizing that it’s time to change the way Canada does procurement, we will modernize our defence procurement to ensure our Forces can buy the tools and equipment they need, in a timely way, working with trusted partners.

                As a result of the main investments and savings proposed in this plan, direct program expenses are projected to grow at an average rate of less than 2% per cent per year through 2028-29. This compares to a compound annual growth of nearly 9 percent over the previous decade. This is what spending less, and investing more is all about.

                From the article:

                On July 7, Finance Minister François-Philippe Champagne sent letters to ministers asking them to find 15 per cent savings over three years in their departments. He has asked them to come up with savings of 7.5 per cent during the 2026-27 fiscal year, with an additional 2.5 per cent the year after and 5 per cent in 2028-29.

                I am not seeing a promise broken here. The departments are being asked to come up with savings, and those savings are not “Lay off everyone” as is being suggested by the Unions. We currently do not know what each department will look to trim.

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                I’d hardly call it “cherry picking” - “We are also committed to capping, not cutting, public service employment” is a complete statement unto itself, and constitutes an election promise. There’s no ambiguity, and there are no caveats provided.

                If you want to make the argument that they intend to reduce departmental budgets by 15% without cutting staff…I’m willing to listen to it, but I don’t think it’s likely to happen. And the departments don’t appear to have been instructed to do so.

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                  I’d hardly call it “cherry picking” - “We are also committed to capping, not cutting, public service employment” is a complete statement unto itself, and constitutes an election promise. There’s no ambiguity, and there are no caveats provided.

                  If you want to make the argument that they intend to reduce departmental budgets by 15% without cutting staff…I’m willing to listen to it, but I don’t think it’s likely to happen. And the departments don’t appear to have been instructed to do so.

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                  arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                  It is cherry picking because it ignores the entire context of the place you picked it from, including the last sentence of the paragraph: “As part of our review of spending we will ensure that the size of the federal public service meets the needs of Canadians.”

                  The way I read this is, which is why context is important, “We are committed to capping employment where it is instead of hiring or cutting employees”. This does not mean the need to cut employees will never exist, simply the priority will be operational budgets outside of employees.

                  Yes, they are committed to not cutting public service employment as per the Platform. Which means that the 15% of savings per department should not be employees. As of now, we do not know what is or isn’t being done to save that 15%, and there has been no announcement of mass layoffs.

                  If it is needed to cut employees because they are redundant, and it does not impact service, I do not see that as breaking an election promise.

                  Again, nothing has been announced. Even the article itself can cite nothing concrete and simply assumes its points.

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                    It is cherry picking because it ignores the entire context of the place you picked it from, including the last sentence of the paragraph: “As part of our review of spending we will ensure that the size of the federal public service meets the needs of Canadians.”

                    The way I read this is, which is why context is important, “We are committed to capping employment where it is instead of hiring or cutting employees”. This does not mean the need to cut employees will never exist, simply the priority will be operational budgets outside of employees.

                    Yes, they are committed to not cutting public service employment as per the Platform. Which means that the 15% of savings per department should not be employees. As of now, we do not know what is or isn’t being done to save that 15%, and there has been no announcement of mass layoffs.

                    If it is needed to cut employees because they are redundant, and it does not impact service, I do not see that as breaking an election promise.

                    Again, nothing has been announced. Even the article itself can cite nothing concrete and simply assumes its points.

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                    You’re free to give them the benefit of the doubt. The union is not obligated to, and I’m inclined to think their concerns are very valid.

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                      It is cherry picking because it ignores the entire context of the place you picked it from, including the last sentence of the paragraph: “As part of our review of spending we will ensure that the size of the federal public service meets the needs of Canadians.”

                      The way I read this is, which is why context is important, “We are committed to capping employment where it is instead of hiring or cutting employees”. This does not mean the need to cut employees will never exist, simply the priority will be operational budgets outside of employees.

                      Yes, they are committed to not cutting public service employment as per the Platform. Which means that the 15% of savings per department should not be employees. As of now, we do not know what is or isn’t being done to save that 15%, and there has been no announcement of mass layoffs.

                      If it is needed to cut employees because they are redundant, and it does not impact service, I do not see that as breaking an election promise.

                      Again, nothing has been announced. Even the article itself can cite nothing concrete and simply assumes its points.

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                      patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                      Does it say 15% cuts in the platform? All I can see is where it says 2% increases.

                      Also, what else will ‘save’ 15% other than cutting jobs?

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                        The Ottawa Citizen is American owned media pretending to be Canadian, infiltrating Canadian culture and politics.

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                        patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                        Does putting it in larger font over and over again make it more true?

                        Also are the reporters and editors Canadian? Not saying there’s zero influence from ownership or that the editorial slant is completely unbiased, but like, this is quoting union folks, it’s hardly some fabricated outrage from a right-wing US think-tank.

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                          You’re free to give them the benefit of the doubt. The union is not obligated to, and I’m inclined to think their concerns are very valid.

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                          arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                          What inclines you to believe their concerns are valid?

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                            Does it say 15% cuts in the platform? All I can see is where it says 2% increases.

                            Also, what else will ‘save’ 15% other than cutting jobs?

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                            arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                            Read the article.

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                              What inclines you to believe their concerns are valid?

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                              I don’t think it’s possible to make budget cuts that huge without cutting staff.

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                                I don’t think it’s possible to make budget cuts that huge without cutting staff.

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                                Can you explain why?

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                                  Read the article.

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                                  patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                                  I have read the article. It doesn’t answer my questions.

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                                    I have read the article. It doesn’t answer my questions.

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                                    arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                                    I have read the article. It doesn’t answer my questions.

                                    Are you sure about that?

                                    From the article:

                                    On July 7, Finance Minister François-Philippe Champagne sent letters to ministers asking them to find 15 per cent savings over three years in their departments. He has asked them to come up with savings of 7.5 per cent during the 2026-27 fiscal year, with an additional 2.5 per cent the year after and 5 per cent in 2028-29.

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                                      I have read the article. It doesn’t answer my questions.

                                      Are you sure about that?

                                      From the article:

                                      On July 7, Finance Minister François-Philippe Champagne sent letters to ministers asking them to find 15 per cent savings over three years in their departments. He has asked them to come up with savings of 7.5 per cent during the 2026-27 fiscal year, with an additional 2.5 per cent the year after and 5 per cent in 2028-29.

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                                      patatas@sh.itjust.works
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                                      You should read my questions then, because this doesn’t answer them

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                                      • A arkouda@lemmy.ca

                                        Can you explain why?

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                                        Payroll is a large portion of any budget, and I haven’t seen any credible claims that it’s possible to cut round it, or that they’re even trying.

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                                        • P patatas@sh.itjust.works

                                          You should read my questions then, because this doesn’t answer them

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                                          arkouda@lemmy.ca
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                                          Does it say 15% cuts in the platform? All I can see is where it says 2% increases.

                                          The answers to your question, from reading the article and the platform before asking:

                                          No, it doesn’t say that in the platform.

                                          Also, what else will ‘save’ 15% other than cutting jobs?

                                          Ask the relevant Ministers who have access to the numbers, and the power to make decisions.

                                          Neither has to do with the point that right now no one is being laid off, and departments are being asked to save money up to 15% over the next three years.

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