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Trump Officials Discussed $500M Alberta Independence Loan, Separatist Claims

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  • agm@lemmy.caA This user is from outside of this forum
    agm@lemmy.caA This user is from outside of this forum
    agm@lemmy.ca
    wrote on last edited by
    #1

    “Officials in the Donald Trump administration discussed loaning the oil-rich province of Alberta hundreds of millions of dollars to help it become independent from Canada, a prominent separatist is claiming.”

    Big if true.

    recursive_recursionR S bytejunk@lemmy.worldB R mintiefreshM 11 Replies Last reply
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    • agm@lemmy.caA agm@lemmy.ca

      “Officials in the Donald Trump administration discussed loaning the oil-rich province of Alberta hundreds of millions of dollars to help it become independent from Canada, a prominent separatist is claiming.”

      Big if true.

      recursive_recursionR This user is from outside of this forum
      recursive_recursionR This user is from outside of this forum
      recursive_recursion
      wrote on last edited by
      #2

      Albertans please stand up to Danille Smith.

      America ain’t looking hot and do you really want the Conservative party copying the same nonsense from dementia grandpa down below?

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      • agm@lemmy.caA agm@lemmy.ca

        “Officials in the Donald Trump administration discussed loaning the oil-rich province of Alberta hundreds of millions of dollars to help it become independent from Canada, a prominent separatist is claiming.”

        Big if true.

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        samuelrjankis@sh.itjust.works
        wrote on last edited by
        #3

        Just the reminder that

        A) These people don’t have the numbers:

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        Poll finds Albertans' attachment to Canada has grown as support for separatism has hardened | CBC News

        Support for separation remains steady at about 30 per cent, according to a new poll, but among that group, separatist sentiment has grown more intense. Meanwhile, the number of Albertans who feel more attached to their country than their province has increased substantially.

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        CBC (www.cbc.ca)

        B) The Vast majority of Alberta is treaty/crown land which they don’t have rights to take with them.

        The only way these people are seperating from Canada is committing treason and working with Trump. It’s unbelievable after what happened to Ukraine in 2022 these people are dumb enough to give Trump a reason for a invasion.

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        • agm@lemmy.caA agm@lemmy.ca

          “Officials in the Donald Trump administration discussed loaning the oil-rich province of Alberta hundreds of millions of dollars to help it become independent from Canada, a prominent separatist is claiming.”

          Big if true.

          bytejunk@lemmy.worldB This user is from outside of this forum
          bytejunk@lemmy.worldB This user is from outside of this forum
          bytejunk@lemmy.world
          wrote on last edited by bytejunk@lemmy.world
          #4

          This is where decisive action is required.

          Arrest the leader, execute them for treason.

          Done.

          Take a page from Trump’s book: say that “there are people who defend that traitors working against the nation need to be executed”, but don’t express an opinion, and see how it goes over.

          Keep tightening the screws as the public opinion incorporates this option.

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          • agm@lemmy.caA agm@lemmy.ca

            “Officials in the Donald Trump administration discussed loaning the oil-rich province of Alberta hundreds of millions of dollars to help it become independent from Canada, a prominent separatist is claiming.”

            Big if true.

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            rottingleaf@lemmy.world
            wrote on last edited by
            #5

            It’s as if all the wrong people got more money that they can use for asswipes in all their life in paper form, and don’t know what to do with it all.

            So stupid. I mean, why does Putin need to capture Ukraine or parts of it? Why does Trump need this? What the hell.

            Could have built a few Dubai mockups if that’s their ceiling, actually that seems above their ceiling.

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            • S samuelrjankis@sh.itjust.works

              Just the reminder that

              A) These people don’t have the numbers:

              Link Preview Image
              Poll finds Albertans' attachment to Canada has grown as support for separatism has hardened | CBC News

              Support for separation remains steady at about 30 per cent, according to a new poll, but among that group, separatist sentiment has grown more intense. Meanwhile, the number of Albertans who feel more attached to their country than their province has increased substantially.

              favicon

              CBC (www.cbc.ca)

              B) The Vast majority of Alberta is treaty/crown land which they don’t have rights to take with them.

              The only way these people are seperating from Canada is committing treason and working with Trump. It’s unbelievable after what happened to Ukraine in 2022 these people are dumb enough to give Trump a reason for a invasion.

              bytejunk@lemmy.worldB This user is from outside of this forum
              bytejunk@lemmy.worldB This user is from outside of this forum
              bytejunk@lemmy.world
              wrote on last edited by
              #6

              Wrong answer.

              You don’t start a debate on the technicalities of an absurdity, because the other side isn’t interested in a good faith discussion.

              You shut it down completely, you call them what they are: stupid, gullible morons who need to keep their mouth shut since they can’t cobble together a coherent thought, or even outright traitors that need to be hanged.

              Anything less is giving ground for free.

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              • S samuelrjankis@sh.itjust.works

                Just the reminder that

                A) These people don’t have the numbers:

                Link Preview Image
                Poll finds Albertans' attachment to Canada has grown as support for separatism has hardened | CBC News

                Support for separation remains steady at about 30 per cent, according to a new poll, but among that group, separatist sentiment has grown more intense. Meanwhile, the number of Albertans who feel more attached to their country than their province has increased substantially.

                favicon

                CBC (www.cbc.ca)

                B) The Vast majority of Alberta is treaty/crown land which they don’t have rights to take with them.

                The only way these people are seperating from Canada is committing treason and working with Trump. It’s unbelievable after what happened to Ukraine in 2022 these people are dumb enough to give Trump a reason for a invasion.

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                auli@lemmy.ca
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                Keep believing that and they’ll just separate one day. Why would they care about the treaties? And if the US is backing the separatists there is nothing anyone would be able to do. Go to court they’ll ignore the verdict like with soft lumber.

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                • agm@lemmy.caA agm@lemmy.ca

                  “Officials in the Donald Trump administration discussed loaning the oil-rich province of Alberta hundreds of millions of dollars to help it become independent from Canada, a prominent separatist is claiming.”

                  Big if true.

                  mintiefreshM This user is from outside of this forum
                  mintiefreshM This user is from outside of this forum
                  mintiefresh
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  This is so annoying and upsetting.

                  I vote against UCP each time and we are still here.

                  Send help.

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                  • agm@lemmy.caA agm@lemmy.ca

                    “Officials in the Donald Trump administration discussed loaning the oil-rich province of Alberta hundreds of millions of dollars to help it become independent from Canada, a prominent separatist is claiming.”

                    Big if true.

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                    xzot746@sh.itjust.works
                    wrote on last edited by xzot746@sh.itjust.works
                    #9

                    Ok even if it was plausible for Alberta to separate, nevermind the legal BS with indigenous groups and those who are not for it, why would the oil rich province of Alberta need any fucking money from the US or anyone else. Really, go into servitude and debt for made up out of thin air money when we are sitting on the second largest supply of oil in the world (other than the fact that we throw ridiculous amounts of tax breaks and funding for oil companies to take our resources and make massive profits from it).

                    Look I am proud to be a Canadian, however I am very disappointed in our politicians and parties. The government has been fully 100% captured by business as people believed that having someone smart enough to run a company must be good to bring that same financial attitude into government.

                    The problem is that it is now concerned only for business and corporations and the people are seen as just the means to transfer government money (which only comes from taxpayers, and let’s not get into all the tax loopholes that corporations get) to corporations.

                    I get it, business need to make money, people need to make money, governments need money, but not all services provided by governments are going to be in the black and nor should they be. If governments or politicians really would stop bending over backwards for their own benefit then all of Canada (or most countries for that matter) would be further ahead. But in this world the almighty investor and the corrupt politicians are shitting on the citizens because their greed cannot be satisfied.

                    We can’t build shit cause the countries are broke, and it makes sense when you look at how the tax laws changed and corporations started paying shit all. Why are corporations granted the almighty right to huge profits on the backs of the people without fair compensation.

                    I get that this is not a new phenomenon but it needs to change, just like when people got rid of Kings (or at least relegated them to figureheads). Democracy, freedom where has it gone. Imagine, the government cannot spy on you without reason but hey some corporation put in some bullshit legalese into a 400 of contract (to use a calculator app etc) and some corrupt judge says it fine and now they can spy on you and manipulate you and sell everything to one of their 685 trusted partners (who probably have another 509 trusted partners each) and that is perfectly fine, oh and the government can buy that info.

                    Fuck me, we had the potential to lift everyone up and I mean everyone, but the greed of a few cannot be satisfied. Well if you ask me the few should be very fucking scared about what they are bringing on themselves, when you have no hope or future and nothing left to lose what will happen. This is why they are being so hard on Mangionne, they’re scared and they want to make sure you get the message, you are a serf and they are the kings, step out of line and watch out.

                    The entire system needs to be changed for the betterment of mankind not just the elite.

                    Edit to allow my typing to catch up to my thoughts.

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                    • agm@lemmy.caA agm@lemmy.ca

                      “Officials in the Donald Trump administration discussed loaning the oil-rich province of Alberta hundreds of millions of dollars to help it become independent from Canada, a prominent separatist is claiming.”

                      Big if true.

                      Sunshine (she/her)S This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Sunshine (she/her)
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                      #10

                      The american boycotts are the weakest in the prairies… so UCP saw an opportunity.

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                      • Sunshine (she/her)S Sunshine (she/her)

                        The american boycotts are the weakest in the prairies… so UCP saw an opportunity.

                        agm@lemmy.caA This user is from outside of this forum
                        agm@lemmy.caA This user is from outside of this forum
                        agm@lemmy.ca
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                        #11

                        I don’t think this was boycott dependent. The separatist movement in Alberta made sure they saw this opportunity.

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                        • agm@lemmy.caA agm@lemmy.ca

                          “Officials in the Donald Trump administration discussed loaning the oil-rich province of Alberta hundreds of millions of dollars to help it become independent from Canada, a prominent separatist is claiming.”

                          Big if true.

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                          freshparsnip@lemmy.ca
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                          #12

                          Let’s trade Alberta for California

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                          • agm@lemmy.caA agm@lemmy.ca

                            “Officials in the Donald Trump administration discussed loaning the oil-rich province of Alberta hundreds of millions of dollars to help it become independent from Canada, a prominent separatist is claiming.”

                            Big if true.

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                            leastaction@lemmy.ca
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                            #13

                            This is of course complete rubbish, and treasonous rubbish at that.

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                            • agm@lemmy.caA agm@lemmy.ca

                              “Officials in the Donald Trump administration discussed loaning the oil-rich province of Alberta hundreds of millions of dollars to help it become independent from Canada, a prominent separatist is claiming.”

                              Big if true.

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                              corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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                              #14

                              Separatists don’t get the land; just their plane tickets.

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                              • agm@lemmy.caA agm@lemmy.ca

                                “Officials in the Donald Trump administration discussed loaning the oil-rich province of Alberta hundreds of millions of dollars to help it become independent from Canada, a prominent separatist is claiming.”

                                Big if true.

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                                archangel1313@lemmy.ca
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                                #15

                                In other words…the entire Alberta Separatist Movement is just an astroturfed foreign influence operation, intended to undermine Canadian sovereignty.

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                                • F freshparsnip@lemmy.ca

                                  Let’s trade Alberta for California

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                                  sturgist@lemmy.ca
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                                  #16

                                  Let’s trade the bits of Alberta that aren’t Crown or Treaty land for their entire west coast.

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