I’m not proselytizing anything. I raised some concerns and you told me that I’m either uninformed or some kind of anti-hydrogen shill. You made no real attempt at engaging with what I said and you brush off the other commenter’s in the thread that are also skeptical of the viability of hydrogen. What’s the point of your post if you are going to attack anyone that has questions or skepticism about a technology that you are pumping up?

I have no problem with those who bring factual considered qualified material to the table. I have a big issue with posters who bring spurious facts and points to the table just to push some dogma or other. You are anti-hydrogen just for the sake of being anti-hydrogen, without any consideration of the facts.

When did I say I was anti-hydrogen? I said I was skeptical of the promises and concerned that a lot of hype around hydrogen is to help greenwash oil and gas. If you want to talk about ignoring the facts, then why you keep ignoring that a large portion of current and projected future production is going to be from geological sources?

And you are equating geological sources with just oil and gas? Well water comes from a ‘geological source’. Are you skeptical about the claims of the benefits of well water? Are all wells just a pretense for greenwashing the oil and gas industry?

Like I said, proselytizing your dogma. Trying to distort and obfuscate so that everything falls in your dogmatic proselytizing.

Okay now you are just being purposely obtuse. Geological sources of hydrogen are primarily sourced from oil and gas reservoirs. Reservoirs that are dominantly hydrogen are very rare as discussed in the report you linked but in theory much cleaner than hydrogen produced by fossil fuel extraction. My issue is not with the “geological” part of hydrogen it’s with the “fossil fuel” part.

What exactly are you trying to prove here? That the modern and projected hydrogen industry in Canada doesn’t have any significant component related to fossil fuel extraction? Because the report you linked clearly indicates otherwise.

If you really want to engage on the existing methods that these companies use to capture and sequester carbon during fossil fuel and hydrogen production, we can talk about that. Instead you are here again suggesting that the issues I raise are illegitimate because I am using accurate and generic terminology for hydrogen extracted from the earth (mostly during fossil fuel production).

But perhaps I’m being selfish here, focusing the discussion on my concerns and questions. You very clearly do not want to talk about the potential issues and pitfalls of pumping up the hydrogen industry in Canada, so what is it you wanted to talk about on this topic?

No, the main geological resources of hydrogen are NOT from oil and gas. Read the links. Natural occurring geological sources of unbound hydrogen gas (not in association with oil and gas) are plentiful enough to provide our energy needs for hundreds of years, and Canada has the appropriate geology to have a substantial amount of these deposits. Also, you keep completely ignoring that the ammonia sent to Europe from the Maritime provinces is primarily from the electrolysis of water using non-fossil-fuel energy. You WANT it to be from gas and oil wells only because that is what fits your narrative, your dogma, and your proselytizing.

As far as I am aware, there are no unbound hydrogen gas reserves currently in production or even close to production. More than half of the currently operating hydrogen facilities in Canada are natural gas sources. Almost a third of all currently planned future production is from natural gas sources. This is in the report you linked.

Im not talking about the electrolysis facilities in the maritimes because i dont have issues with them. I am still skeptical of the long term payoff of such an industry, but my bigger concern is the subsidies that go to fossil fuel companies due to all the hype around hydrogen. I would be very happy if all future hydrogen facilities were just electrolysis facilities, but that is not going to be the case.

This is just a circular conversation at this point. I can only repeat myself so many times. I don’t know if you work in thr hydrogen industry or if you’re just a big fan of it, but ignoring real issues does not serve the promotion of it. If government is pumping in a bunch of money to promote and develop an industry, it’s very reqsonable to ask where that money is going and whether it’s actually going to provide the returns we expect.

As far as I am aware, there are no unbound hydrogen gas reserves currently in production or even close to production. More than half of the currently operating hydrogen facilities in Canada are natural gas sources. Almost a third of all currently planned future production is from natural gas sources. This is in the report you linked.

Im not talking about the electrolysis facilities in the maritimes because i dont have issues with them. I am still skeptical of the long term payoff of such an industry, but my bigger concern is the subsidies that go to fossil fuel companies due to all the hype around hydrogen. I would be very happy if all future hydrogen facilities were just electrolysis facilities, but that is not going to be the case.

This is just a circular conversation at this point. I can only repeat myself so many times. I don’t know if you work in thr hydrogen industry or if you’re just a big fan of it, but ignoring real issues does not serve the promotion of it. If government is pumping in a bunch of money to promote and develop an industry, it’s very reqsonable to ask where that money is going and whether it’s actually going to provide the returns we expect.