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  • ikidd@lemmy.worldI ikidd@lemmy.world

    Send them the bill for the commute time and mileage.

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    hiddenlayer555@lemmy.ml
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    Or just leave your house when work time starts and leave work early to account for traveling home.

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    • ikidd@lemmy.worldI ikidd@lemmy.world

      Send them the bill for the commute time and mileage.

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      bowreality@lemmy.ca
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      You know this wouldn’t ever be a mandate anywhere if we just make commute part of the work hours. Not even paying for parking, gas or transit. Just the time. All companies would immediately back down and order you to wfh.

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      • B bowreality@lemmy.ca

        You know this wouldn’t ever be a mandate anywhere if we just make commute part of the work hours. Not even paying for parking, gas or transit. Just the time. All companies would immediately back down and order you to wfh.

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        ikidd@lemmy.world
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        #20

        They’d just make you live in the office.

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        • ikidd@lemmy.worldI ikidd@lemmy.world

          Send them the bill for the commute time and mileage.

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          labtec6@lemmy.ca
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          Or get another job. Many companies are doing this now. My company is doing this. I have to be at work 5 days a week anyway so it doesn’t matter to me but it was like this before COVID and companies are paying rent with few people there so they want them in. Find a company that will have you at home. It’s getting a lot harder now.

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          • D doubleohdonut@lemmy.ca

            “How do you mentor someone over a phone? You can’t. You’ve got to look at them eye to eye,” Ford said during an unrelated news conference Thursday in Pickering.

            Just because you are personally incapable of growth, don’t inflict it on the rest of us!

            Ford said his government wasn’t influenced by the bank mandates, but said business leaders he’d spoken with agree “everyone needs to go back to work.”

            Aren’t politians meant to represent the will of the people? Doug’s always listened to his corporate buddies though.

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            notmyoldredditname@lemmy.world
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            #22

            Damn… I guess I never mentored anyone. Got paid for it though!

            Edit: slack and video calls. Technically not phone.

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            • M melvin_ferd@lemmy.world

              Also what’s wrong with a hybrid model or let individual teams decide. I can get all the learning needed in 2 days each week and the rest of the week can be over teams if needed. It’s a really good schedule for training

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              notmyoldredditname@lemmy.world
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              #23

              Nothing.

              This is so Starbucks (and others) can keep all their stores open instead of having to close the ones that are every other block because there’s less people in the office.

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              • hiddenlayer555@lemmy.mlH hiddenlayer555@lemmy.ml

                Dude was getting lonely not being able to micromanage the lives of government employees.

                Text of the article at the time of posting:

                Ontario ordering public servants back into office full time

                Current mandate of 3 days a week has been provincial government policy since April 2022

                Mike Crawley · CBC News · Posted: Aug 14, 2025 7:17 AM PDT | Last Updated: 1 hour ago

                Premier Doug Ford’s government is ordering Ontario public servants to work from the office four days a week starting this fall and then full-time in January.

                It’s a change from a policy that has been in place since April 2022, when provincial government employees were mandated to be in their offices at least three days per week.

                Employees of the Ontario Public Service, provincial agencies, boards and commissions must “increase their attendance to four days per week” starting Oct. 20 and transition to full-time hours in-office effective Jan. 5, 2026, said Treasury Board President Caroline Mulroney in an announcement Thursday.

                Ford says he believes government employees are more productive when they are in the office.

                “How do you mentor someone over a phone? You can’t. You’ve got to look at them eye to eye,” Ford said during an unrelated news conference Thursday in Pickering.

                Ford also suggested having provincial workers return to the office is better for the economy, pointing out that many small businesses that rely on foot traffic from office workers have suffered due to remote work policies.

                “There’s hard-working entrepreneurs that their business has basically just died when they weren’t seeing the flow of traffic.”

                The news follows on the heels of announcements by four of Canada’s big banks — RBC, Scotiabank, BMO and TD — that staff at their Toronto headquarters must spend at least four days a week in the office, effective this fall.

                ‘Everyone needs to go back to work,’ says Ford

                Ford said his government wasn’t influenced by the bank mandates, but said business leaders he’d spoken with agree “everyone needs to go back to work.”

                “We look forward to having everyone back; we’re very grateful for the work they do. We have the best public service in Canada and I appreciate the work they do every day,” he said.

                Ontario’s top bureaucrat, Secretary of Cabinet Michelle DiEmanuele, said in a memo obtained by CBC News that the decision “is in line with an increasing number of organizations across the public and private sectors.”

                The province’s move comes just two weeks after it reached a new collective agreement with AMAPCEO, which represents some 14,000 professional, administrative and supervisory employees in the Ontario Public Service.

                The province was “hellbent on removing” employees’ options for remote work during those negotiations, says AMAPCEO president Dave Bulmer.

                “I am incensed by this morning’s announcement,” said Bulmer in a message to union members. “We have shown that we can, and should, be treated as the capable, trustworthy professionals we are — professionals capable of working for Ontario from anywhere.”

                Bulmer says there should be no changes for provincial employees who have a formal, signed agreement allowing them to work remotely, and says AMAPCEO members who want to work remotely should make an official request now.

                Officials from OPSEU, the union that represents roughly half of the Ontario Public Service workforce, said they will issue a statement in response to the changes later on Thursday.

                The provincial government’s single-largest office space in Toronto, the Macdonald Block complex, is undergoing a $1.5 billion renovation and has been shut down for six years.

                Staff of several provincial ministries have since been working from rented office space scattered around the city’s downtown.

                Federal government employees are currently subject to a three-days-per-week minimum in the workplace, imposed last September. There’s been some evidence since that the policy is not being strictly enforced.

                ABOUT THE AUTHOR

                Mike Crawley

                Senior reporter

                Mike Crawley has covered Ontario politics for CBC News since 2009. He began his career as a newspaper reporter in B.C., spent six years as a freelance journalist in various parts of Africa, then joined the CBC in 2005. Mike was born and raised in Saint John, N.B.

                With files from Sarah Petz

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                breadoven@lemmy.world
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                Fuck Doug Ford.

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                • hiddenlayer555@lemmy.mlH hiddenlayer555@lemmy.ml

                  Dude was getting lonely not being able to micromanage the lives of government employees.

                  Text of the article at the time of posting:

                  Ontario ordering public servants back into office full time

                  Current mandate of 3 days a week has been provincial government policy since April 2022

                  Mike Crawley · CBC News · Posted: Aug 14, 2025 7:17 AM PDT | Last Updated: 1 hour ago

                  Premier Doug Ford’s government is ordering Ontario public servants to work from the office four days a week starting this fall and then full-time in January.

                  It’s a change from a policy that has been in place since April 2022, when provincial government employees were mandated to be in their offices at least three days per week.

                  Employees of the Ontario Public Service, provincial agencies, boards and commissions must “increase their attendance to four days per week” starting Oct. 20 and transition to full-time hours in-office effective Jan. 5, 2026, said Treasury Board President Caroline Mulroney in an announcement Thursday.

                  Ford says he believes government employees are more productive when they are in the office.

                  “How do you mentor someone over a phone? You can’t. You’ve got to look at them eye to eye,” Ford said during an unrelated news conference Thursday in Pickering.

                  Ford also suggested having provincial workers return to the office is better for the economy, pointing out that many small businesses that rely on foot traffic from office workers have suffered due to remote work policies.

                  “There’s hard-working entrepreneurs that their business has basically just died when they weren’t seeing the flow of traffic.”

                  The news follows on the heels of announcements by four of Canada’s big banks — RBC, Scotiabank, BMO and TD — that staff at their Toronto headquarters must spend at least four days a week in the office, effective this fall.

                  ‘Everyone needs to go back to work,’ says Ford

                  Ford said his government wasn’t influenced by the bank mandates, but said business leaders he’d spoken with agree “everyone needs to go back to work.”

                  “We look forward to having everyone back; we’re very grateful for the work they do. We have the best public service in Canada and I appreciate the work they do every day,” he said.

                  Ontario’s top bureaucrat, Secretary of Cabinet Michelle DiEmanuele, said in a memo obtained by CBC News that the decision “is in line with an increasing number of organizations across the public and private sectors.”

                  The province’s move comes just two weeks after it reached a new collective agreement with AMAPCEO, which represents some 14,000 professional, administrative and supervisory employees in the Ontario Public Service.

                  The province was “hellbent on removing” employees’ options for remote work during those negotiations, says AMAPCEO president Dave Bulmer.

                  “I am incensed by this morning’s announcement,” said Bulmer in a message to union members. “We have shown that we can, and should, be treated as the capable, trustworthy professionals we are — professionals capable of working for Ontario from anywhere.”

                  Bulmer says there should be no changes for provincial employees who have a formal, signed agreement allowing them to work remotely, and says AMAPCEO members who want to work remotely should make an official request now.

                  Officials from OPSEU, the union that represents roughly half of the Ontario Public Service workforce, said they will issue a statement in response to the changes later on Thursday.

                  The provincial government’s single-largest office space in Toronto, the Macdonald Block complex, is undergoing a $1.5 billion renovation and has been shut down for six years.

                  Staff of several provincial ministries have since been working from rented office space scattered around the city’s downtown.

                  Federal government employees are currently subject to a three-days-per-week minimum in the workplace, imposed last September. There’s been some evidence since that the policy is not being strictly enforced.

                  ABOUT THE AUTHOR

                  Mike Crawley

                  Senior reporter

                  Mike Crawley has covered Ontario politics for CBC News since 2009. He began his career as a newspaper reporter in B.C., spent six years as a freelance journalist in various parts of Africa, then joined the CBC in 2005. Mike was born and raised in Saint John, N.B.

                  With files from Sarah Petz

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                  panda_abyss@lemmy.ca
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                  It’s not “go back to work”

                  I work remotely and get a lot done. I do way more than my peers.

                  It’s wait in traffic unpaid, but a shitty lunch, drink shitty coffee, poop in someone else’s toilet with neighbours, not have access to all my reference books or have to lug them around, then I get to work with a shittier chair, stare at a cheap fuzzy monitor that bugs my eyes, and not have any privacy or quiet to focus.

                  There was one time I had a corner office, with a door, and a stocked bar, and was allowed beers at lunch (I would class problems as zero, one, or two beer problems). But everything since then has been awful open plans or hot desking, and the beer has all dried up.

                  My home office wins by a mile.

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                  • N notmyoldredditname@lemmy.world

                    Nothing.

                    This is so Starbucks (and others) can keep all their stores open instead of having to close the ones that are every other block because there’s less people in the office.

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                    doubleohdonut@lemmy.ca
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                    Which, as another commenter noted, is ridiculous. If you can’t run a functional office with work from home employees, you’re really just showcasing how piss poor of a manager you are. Can it be turned around by a younger generation stepping in to show how its done? I’d sure like to think so.

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                    • hiddenlayer555@lemmy.mlH hiddenlayer555@lemmy.ml

                      Dude was getting lonely not being able to micromanage the lives of government employees.

                      Text of the article at the time of posting:

                      Ontario ordering public servants back into office full time

                      Current mandate of 3 days a week has been provincial government policy since April 2022

                      Mike Crawley · CBC News · Posted: Aug 14, 2025 7:17 AM PDT | Last Updated: 1 hour ago

                      Premier Doug Ford’s government is ordering Ontario public servants to work from the office four days a week starting this fall and then full-time in January.

                      It’s a change from a policy that has been in place since April 2022, when provincial government employees were mandated to be in their offices at least three days per week.

                      Employees of the Ontario Public Service, provincial agencies, boards and commissions must “increase their attendance to four days per week” starting Oct. 20 and transition to full-time hours in-office effective Jan. 5, 2026, said Treasury Board President Caroline Mulroney in an announcement Thursday.

                      Ford says he believes government employees are more productive when they are in the office.

                      “How do you mentor someone over a phone? You can’t. You’ve got to look at them eye to eye,” Ford said during an unrelated news conference Thursday in Pickering.

                      Ford also suggested having provincial workers return to the office is better for the economy, pointing out that many small businesses that rely on foot traffic from office workers have suffered due to remote work policies.

                      “There’s hard-working entrepreneurs that their business has basically just died when they weren’t seeing the flow of traffic.”

                      The news follows on the heels of announcements by four of Canada’s big banks — RBC, Scotiabank, BMO and TD — that staff at their Toronto headquarters must spend at least four days a week in the office, effective this fall.

                      ‘Everyone needs to go back to work,’ says Ford

                      Ford said his government wasn’t influenced by the bank mandates, but said business leaders he’d spoken with agree “everyone needs to go back to work.”

                      “We look forward to having everyone back; we’re very grateful for the work they do. We have the best public service in Canada and I appreciate the work they do every day,” he said.

                      Ontario’s top bureaucrat, Secretary of Cabinet Michelle DiEmanuele, said in a memo obtained by CBC News that the decision “is in line with an increasing number of organizations across the public and private sectors.”

                      The province’s move comes just two weeks after it reached a new collective agreement with AMAPCEO, which represents some 14,000 professional, administrative and supervisory employees in the Ontario Public Service.

                      The province was “hellbent on removing” employees’ options for remote work during those negotiations, says AMAPCEO president Dave Bulmer.

                      “I am incensed by this morning’s announcement,” said Bulmer in a message to union members. “We have shown that we can, and should, be treated as the capable, trustworthy professionals we are — professionals capable of working for Ontario from anywhere.”

                      Bulmer says there should be no changes for provincial employees who have a formal, signed agreement allowing them to work remotely, and says AMAPCEO members who want to work remotely should make an official request now.

                      Officials from OPSEU, the union that represents roughly half of the Ontario Public Service workforce, said they will issue a statement in response to the changes later on Thursday.

                      The provincial government’s single-largest office space in Toronto, the Macdonald Block complex, is undergoing a $1.5 billion renovation and has been shut down for six years.

                      Staff of several provincial ministries have since been working from rented office space scattered around the city’s downtown.

                      Federal government employees are currently subject to a three-days-per-week minimum in the workplace, imposed last September. There’s been some evidence since that the policy is not being strictly enforced.

                      ABOUT THE AUTHOR

                      Mike Crawley

                      Senior reporter

                      Mike Crawley has covered Ontario politics for CBC News since 2009. He began his career as a newspaper reporter in B.C., spent six years as a freelance journalist in various parts of Africa, then joined the CBC in 2005. Mike was born and raised in Saint John, N.B.

                      With files from Sarah Petz

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                      rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works
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                      Gosh I’ve never seen Doug ford legislate in my presence, how can he do his job by television? What a lazy shithead, he needs to get to work, by being in my specific presence. Genius fuck.

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                      • Em AdespotonA Em Adespoton

                        I really don’t get that mentoring question. I’ve been mentoring employees remotely for over a decade. I’ve found it’s useful to have a few in-person meetups, but most work and career growth can very much be done remotely for any job involving information only.

                        Obviously any job requiring physical manipulation of objects is going to have to be on site at least some of the time.

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                        bcsven@lemmy.ca
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                        I think a normal job your mentor session plan works. Its only more useful for in office continuous contact when it is almost like an apprenticeship type role, where you have to be directing and teaching most of the time

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                        • hiddenlayer555@lemmy.mlH hiddenlayer555@lemmy.ml

                          Dude was getting lonely not being able to micromanage the lives of government employees.

                          Text of the article at the time of posting:

                          Ontario ordering public servants back into office full time

                          Current mandate of 3 days a week has been provincial government policy since April 2022

                          Mike Crawley · CBC News · Posted: Aug 14, 2025 7:17 AM PDT | Last Updated: 1 hour ago

                          Premier Doug Ford’s government is ordering Ontario public servants to work from the office four days a week starting this fall and then full-time in January.

                          It’s a change from a policy that has been in place since April 2022, when provincial government employees were mandated to be in their offices at least three days per week.

                          Employees of the Ontario Public Service, provincial agencies, boards and commissions must “increase their attendance to four days per week” starting Oct. 20 and transition to full-time hours in-office effective Jan. 5, 2026, said Treasury Board President Caroline Mulroney in an announcement Thursday.

                          Ford says he believes government employees are more productive when they are in the office.

                          “How do you mentor someone over a phone? You can’t. You’ve got to look at them eye to eye,” Ford said during an unrelated news conference Thursday in Pickering.

                          Ford also suggested having provincial workers return to the office is better for the economy, pointing out that many small businesses that rely on foot traffic from office workers have suffered due to remote work policies.

                          “There’s hard-working entrepreneurs that their business has basically just died when they weren’t seeing the flow of traffic.”

                          The news follows on the heels of announcements by four of Canada’s big banks — RBC, Scotiabank, BMO and TD — that staff at their Toronto headquarters must spend at least four days a week in the office, effective this fall.

                          ‘Everyone needs to go back to work,’ says Ford

                          Ford said his government wasn’t influenced by the bank mandates, but said business leaders he’d spoken with agree “everyone needs to go back to work.”

                          “We look forward to having everyone back; we’re very grateful for the work they do. We have the best public service in Canada and I appreciate the work they do every day,” he said.

                          Ontario’s top bureaucrat, Secretary of Cabinet Michelle DiEmanuele, said in a memo obtained by CBC News that the decision “is in line with an increasing number of organizations across the public and private sectors.”

                          The province’s move comes just two weeks after it reached a new collective agreement with AMAPCEO, which represents some 14,000 professional, administrative and supervisory employees in the Ontario Public Service.

                          The province was “hellbent on removing” employees’ options for remote work during those negotiations, says AMAPCEO president Dave Bulmer.

                          “I am incensed by this morning’s announcement,” said Bulmer in a message to union members. “We have shown that we can, and should, be treated as the capable, trustworthy professionals we are — professionals capable of working for Ontario from anywhere.”

                          Bulmer says there should be no changes for provincial employees who have a formal, signed agreement allowing them to work remotely, and says AMAPCEO members who want to work remotely should make an official request now.

                          Officials from OPSEU, the union that represents roughly half of the Ontario Public Service workforce, said they will issue a statement in response to the changes later on Thursday.

                          The provincial government’s single-largest office space in Toronto, the Macdonald Block complex, is undergoing a $1.5 billion renovation and has been shut down for six years.

                          Staff of several provincial ministries have since been working from rented office space scattered around the city’s downtown.

                          Federal government employees are currently subject to a three-days-per-week minimum in the workplace, imposed last September. There’s been some evidence since that the policy is not being strictly enforced.

                          ABOUT THE AUTHOR

                          Mike Crawley

                          Senior reporter

                          Mike Crawley has covered Ontario politics for CBC News since 2009. He began his career as a newspaper reporter in B.C., spent six years as a freelance journalist in various parts of Africa, then joined the CBC in 2005. Mike was born and raised in Saint John, N.B.

                          With files from Sarah Petz

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                          I don’t work for government but some day I will piss on his grave. And Mike Harris’ too.

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                          • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

                            I think a normal job your mentor session plan works. Its only more useful for in office continuous contact when it is almost like an apprenticeship type role, where you have to be directing and teaching most of the time

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                            Em Adespoton
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                            #30

                            If it’s an information job, that can be done online too. You can do screen sharing, document sharing, etc. and work on things together while in different places.

                            I’ve spent hours working cooperatively on a shared screen with both parties using their headsets.

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                            • Em AdespotonA Em Adespoton

                              If it’s an information job, that can be done online too. You can do screen sharing, document sharing, etc. and work on things together while in different places.

                              I’ve spent hours working cooperatively on a shared screen with both parties using their headsets.

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                              Yeah, I have done this too, as well as online trainer sessions for 5 day courses, but I find in person is better training because you can read body language better for your students understanding, and see their screen to see their struggles that they may not be sharing in an online session. You also get more impromptu conversation in person that leads to deeper understanding on technical work. But for awareness I’m not advocating back to work, I have worked from home for 15 years.

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                              • B bcsven@lemmy.ca

                                Yeah, I have done this too, as well as online trainer sessions for 5 day courses, but I find in person is better training because you can read body language better for your students understanding, and see their screen to see their struggles that they may not be sharing in an online session. You also get more impromptu conversation in person that leads to deeper understanding on technical work. But for awareness I’m not advocating back to work, I have worked from home for 15 years.

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                                I had the advantage of working out of an office for years while doing remote training/mentoring. What I found was that different techniques were required online, but one wasn’t “better” than the other, just different.

                                Of course, different people thrive in the different environments too; there were some people who needed the in-person interaction and eventually moved on or were let go. And there were others who wouldn’t have lasted in an in-person environment who are now top performers working remotely.

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                                • B bedsharkpal@lemmy.ca

                                  As a tax payer, fuck this guy for wasting resources. As a person who drives, fuck this guy for making traffic worse. As a human, fuck this guy for making the lives of my fellow citizens worse.

                                  Fuck this guy. Who can I call or email to say this is not ok?

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                                  fireretardant@lemmy.world
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                                  He needs to traffic to keep getting worse so he can keep not fixing it by building tunnels and destroying bike lanes.

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                                  • N narrativebear@lemmy.world

                                    “Ford also suggested having provincial workers return to the office is better for the economy, pointing out that many small businesses that rely on foot traffic from office workers have [suffered due to remote work policies]”

                                    This basically assumes if you work from home you never leave, dont order in, or don’t shop in the stores in your area. What if I work from home but I walk to my corner bagel store for breakfast every morning? What’s going to happen to the bagel store in my neighborhood if I need to now drive 1-2hrs into the city?

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                                    fireretardant@lemmy.world
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                                    Acknowledges foot traffic is important for local businesses but can’t make the same connection for cyclists using bike lanes.

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                                    • hiddenlayer555@lemmy.mlH hiddenlayer555@lemmy.ml

                                      Dude was getting lonely not being able to micromanage the lives of government employees.

                                      Text of the article at the time of posting:

                                      Ontario ordering public servants back into office full time

                                      Current mandate of 3 days a week has been provincial government policy since April 2022

                                      Mike Crawley · CBC News · Posted: Aug 14, 2025 7:17 AM PDT | Last Updated: 1 hour ago

                                      Premier Doug Ford’s government is ordering Ontario public servants to work from the office four days a week starting this fall and then full-time in January.

                                      It’s a change from a policy that has been in place since April 2022, when provincial government employees were mandated to be in their offices at least three days per week.

                                      Employees of the Ontario Public Service, provincial agencies, boards and commissions must “increase their attendance to four days per week” starting Oct. 20 and transition to full-time hours in-office effective Jan. 5, 2026, said Treasury Board President Caroline Mulroney in an announcement Thursday.

                                      Ford says he believes government employees are more productive when they are in the office.

                                      “How do you mentor someone over a phone? You can’t. You’ve got to look at them eye to eye,” Ford said during an unrelated news conference Thursday in Pickering.

                                      Ford also suggested having provincial workers return to the office is better for the economy, pointing out that many small businesses that rely on foot traffic from office workers have suffered due to remote work policies.

                                      “There’s hard-working entrepreneurs that their business has basically just died when they weren’t seeing the flow of traffic.”

                                      The news follows on the heels of announcements by four of Canada’s big banks — RBC, Scotiabank, BMO and TD — that staff at their Toronto headquarters must spend at least four days a week in the office, effective this fall.

                                      ‘Everyone needs to go back to work,’ says Ford

                                      Ford said his government wasn’t influenced by the bank mandates, but said business leaders he’d spoken with agree “everyone needs to go back to work.”

                                      “We look forward to having everyone back; we’re very grateful for the work they do. We have the best public service in Canada and I appreciate the work they do every day,” he said.

                                      Ontario’s top bureaucrat, Secretary of Cabinet Michelle DiEmanuele, said in a memo obtained by CBC News that the decision “is in line with an increasing number of organizations across the public and private sectors.”

                                      The province’s move comes just two weeks after it reached a new collective agreement with AMAPCEO, which represents some 14,000 professional, administrative and supervisory employees in the Ontario Public Service.

                                      The province was “hellbent on removing” employees’ options for remote work during those negotiations, says AMAPCEO president Dave Bulmer.

                                      “I am incensed by this morning’s announcement,” said Bulmer in a message to union members. “We have shown that we can, and should, be treated as the capable, trustworthy professionals we are — professionals capable of working for Ontario from anywhere.”

                                      Bulmer says there should be no changes for provincial employees who have a formal, signed agreement allowing them to work remotely, and says AMAPCEO members who want to work remotely should make an official request now.

                                      Officials from OPSEU, the union that represents roughly half of the Ontario Public Service workforce, said they will issue a statement in response to the changes later on Thursday.

                                      The provincial government’s single-largest office space in Toronto, the Macdonald Block complex, is undergoing a $1.5 billion renovation and has been shut down for six years.

                                      Staff of several provincial ministries have since been working from rented office space scattered around the city’s downtown.

                                      Federal government employees are currently subject to a three-days-per-week minimum in the workplace, imposed last September. There’s been some evidence since that the policy is not being strictly enforced.

                                      ABOUT THE AUTHOR

                                      Mike Crawley

                                      Senior reporter

                                      Mike Crawley has covered Ontario politics for CBC News since 2009. He began his career as a newspaper reporter in B.C., spent six years as a freelance journalist in various parts of Africa, then joined the CBC in 2005. Mike was born and raised in Saint John, N.B.

                                      With files from Sarah Petz

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                                      showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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                                      “How do you mentor someone over a phone? You can’t.” Ford said

                                      We have literal suicide prevention phone service that does this, Doug.

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                                      • hiddenlayer555@lemmy.mlH hiddenlayer555@lemmy.ml

                                        Dude was getting lonely not being able to micromanage the lives of government employees.

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                                        Ontario ordering public servants back into office full time

                                        Current mandate of 3 days a week has been provincial government policy since April 2022

                                        Mike Crawley · CBC News · Posted: Aug 14, 2025 7:17 AM PDT | Last Updated: 1 hour ago

                                        Premier Doug Ford’s government is ordering Ontario public servants to work from the office four days a week starting this fall and then full-time in January.

                                        It’s a change from a policy that has been in place since April 2022, when provincial government employees were mandated to be in their offices at least three days per week.

                                        Employees of the Ontario Public Service, provincial agencies, boards and commissions must “increase their attendance to four days per week” starting Oct. 20 and transition to full-time hours in-office effective Jan. 5, 2026, said Treasury Board President Caroline Mulroney in an announcement Thursday.

                                        Ford says he believes government employees are more productive when they are in the office.

                                        “How do you mentor someone over a phone? You can’t. You’ve got to look at them eye to eye,” Ford said during an unrelated news conference Thursday in Pickering.

                                        Ford also suggested having provincial workers return to the office is better for the economy, pointing out that many small businesses that rely on foot traffic from office workers have suffered due to remote work policies.

                                        “There’s hard-working entrepreneurs that their business has basically just died when they weren’t seeing the flow of traffic.”

                                        The news follows on the heels of announcements by four of Canada’s big banks — RBC, Scotiabank, BMO and TD — that staff at their Toronto headquarters must spend at least four days a week in the office, effective this fall.

                                        ‘Everyone needs to go back to work,’ says Ford

                                        Ford said his government wasn’t influenced by the bank mandates, but said business leaders he’d spoken with agree “everyone needs to go back to work.”

                                        “We look forward to having everyone back; we’re very grateful for the work they do. We have the best public service in Canada and I appreciate the work they do every day,” he said.

                                        Ontario’s top bureaucrat, Secretary of Cabinet Michelle DiEmanuele, said in a memo obtained by CBC News that the decision “is in line with an increasing number of organizations across the public and private sectors.”

                                        The province’s move comes just two weeks after it reached a new collective agreement with AMAPCEO, which represents some 14,000 professional, administrative and supervisory employees in the Ontario Public Service.

                                        The province was “hellbent on removing” employees’ options for remote work during those negotiations, says AMAPCEO president Dave Bulmer.

                                        “I am incensed by this morning’s announcement,” said Bulmer in a message to union members. “We have shown that we can, and should, be treated as the capable, trustworthy professionals we are — professionals capable of working for Ontario from anywhere.”

                                        Bulmer says there should be no changes for provincial employees who have a formal, signed agreement allowing them to work remotely, and says AMAPCEO members who want to work remotely should make an official request now.

                                        Officials from OPSEU, the union that represents roughly half of the Ontario Public Service workforce, said they will issue a statement in response to the changes later on Thursday.

                                        The provincial government’s single-largest office space in Toronto, the Macdonald Block complex, is undergoing a $1.5 billion renovation and has been shut down for six years.

                                        Staff of several provincial ministries have since been working from rented office space scattered around the city’s downtown.

                                        Federal government employees are currently subject to a three-days-per-week minimum in the workplace, imposed last September. There’s been some evidence since that the policy is not being strictly enforced.

                                        ABOUT THE AUTHOR

                                        Mike Crawley

                                        Senior reporter

                                        Mike Crawley has covered Ontario politics for CBC News since 2009. He began his career as a newspaper reporter in B.C., spent six years as a freelance journalist in various parts of Africa, then joined the CBC in 2005. Mike was born and raised in Saint John, N.B.

                                        With files from Sarah Petz

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                                        brax@sh.itjust.works
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                                        Everyone needs to go back to work

                                        Once again, people in charge who clearly did fuck all from home and assume everybody else does fuck-all from home, too.

                                        These people ARE going go work. “Going to work” implies going to do their job. Shit, for me “going to the OFFICE” means a REDUCTION in work because everybody’s always coming by my desk for shit which is distracting me from doing my work.

                                        Fuck every one of these people who can’t understand the difference between “going to work” and “going to the office”. Especially the ones who have vested interest in raising need for office buildings so their developer buddies can steal extra money.

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                                        • P panda_abyss@lemmy.ca

                                          It’s not “go back to work”

                                          I work remotely and get a lot done. I do way more than my peers.

                                          It’s wait in traffic unpaid, but a shitty lunch, drink shitty coffee, poop in someone else’s toilet with neighbours, not have access to all my reference books or have to lug them around, then I get to work with a shittier chair, stare at a cheap fuzzy monitor that bugs my eyes, and not have any privacy or quiet to focus.

                                          There was one time I had a corner office, with a door, and a stocked bar, and was allowed beers at lunch (I would class problems as zero, one, or two beer problems). But everything since then has been awful open plans or hot desking, and the beer has all dried up.

                                          My home office wins by a mile.

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                                          brax@sh.itjust.works
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                                          Hundo. These are morons who do fuckall from home and think everybody else is doing the same. My sick time has skyrocketed since they revoked my ability to work from home, and my productivity has dropped significantly.

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