I don’t care what the reason is, if you break into a home - the actual home, you deserve whatever you get, no restrictions.

I hear my back door kicked in at 3 in the morning, I put on my glasses and load my pistol. My bedroom door opens, there’s a man with a knife. I fire one round. That round pierces his heart and he dies on the spot. Justifiable force.

Instead, I fired two or three rounds in quick succession, because one round might miss or fail to stop him. Very likely justifiable force. Like any person wouldn’t pull the trigger a couple times in that scenario, right?

Instead, I fire one round. It hits him in the chest and does serious damage to one lung. He drops the knife, staggers into my living room and collapses. If I shoot him again to finish him in that state, that’s murder.

I recommend against breaking into houses on this continent.

Yeah and to be fair it’s not like Canada is much better, but in cases like this one I don’t find it ridiculous that the appropriate use of force is investigated.

I’m sure this person won’t ultimately end up in jail (the same people in arms over this would also be the first to point out how “lenient” our criminal justice system is…), and if the facts of the matter do show unnecessary force or cruelty (like stabbing an unconscious person) then I feel that it would be justified.

Anyway, I didn’t mean to paint you with a broad brush I know the average American I interact with is more like me than not, but I’m grateful for the slightly higher valuing of human life here

You break into a house, threaten the people inside, you get what you deserve. If they break your bones or end your life, THAT is the risk YOU take. Fuck this holding the VICTIM responsible. Not much I like from US law, but stand your ground and castle doctrine really ring true for me after being home invaded, robbed, and beaten by 3 invaders. What did the cops do? fuck all. Next fucker breaks intro my house will be dealing with trauma for the rest of their lives.

edit: Thank you to all who up AND down voted, and engaged in conversation, I appreciate it, and it was cathartic. I won’t be responding to any more of this post as I have said all I will on this. Remember to not get too mad at dissenting opinions and try to have a great day.

IMO an important fact is the intruder was charged with possessing a weapon for a dangerous purpose.

That raises the threshold of reasonable force quite a bit in my eyes, including “life threatening injuries”

Now he shouldn’t keep beating him when he’s down and out but I’m sympathetic to the invadee so far.

That’s what judges are for, I’m curious how it comes out.

Give homeowners the same benefit of the doubt cops get when they kill someone that threatens them. Probably more because they aren’t trained to deal with immediate threats and evaluate the options like a cop would.

Asking some poor bastard whose never had an altercation and that’s scared of being killed or their family being harmed to evaluate a proportional response in seconds is pretty unrealistic. And then making them go through months of legal hassle and cost to prove that what they did in that moment was correct is cruel and unreasonable.

I have been assaulted and defended myself multiple times in Canada. It’s not how you’re describing it where you have some duty of care for the person you’re actively defending yourself from. Your right to defend yourself logically does not include the right to counter-assault or murder others. Guarantee this guy could have stopped but didn’t. That’s 99% of the time what constitutes unreasonable force.

Plenty of people hospitalize their assailants and don’t get charged. This story is rage-bait.

You break into a house, threaten the people inside, you get what you deserve. If they break your bones or end your life, THAT is the risk YOU take. Fuck this holding the VICTIM responsible. Not much I like from US law, but stand your ground and castle doctrine really ring true for me after being home invaded, robbed, and beaten by 3 invaders. What did the cops do? fuck all. Next fucker breaks intro my house will be dealing with trauma for the rest of their lives.

edit: Thank you to all who up AND down voted, and engaged in conversation, I appreciate it, and it was cathartic. I won’t be responding to any more of this post as I have said all I will on this. Remember to not get too mad at dissenting opinions and try to have a great day.

Yes, hindsight is 20/20. When you are calm you can realize you went too far. In the moment, you are more concerned with survival, the Adrenalin is flowing and if there is no way to escape ie; physically running is not an option, the fight gets overwhelming. Like I said, break into my house and I will defend myself, if it costs you the use of limbs, brain function, or life, that is a choice YOU made breaking into the house. When I was younger I tried the CORRECT thing, assault, loss of more than I could afford to lose as I liked eating at least enough to live, the cops were totally useless and did nothing, several times. Now I am at the stage of, get the thief to leave but there are very useful objects all over the house, can you say trauma???, and I will NOT be a fucking victim again.

Simply put, if the invader is immobilized and no longer a threat, but you continue to beat them, it’s not self-defence anymore, it’s vengeance. That’s the law in Canada and I’m okay with that.

The courts very much factor in if someone is acting in the moment or if they cognitively chose to do something. That’s like a huge thing. End of the day if someone can’t stop themselves from ground and pounding an unconscious person to death, than they are also a problem. The inability to control yourself or a violent situation are risk factors for anyone who doesn’t train martial arts.

I agree that they deserve what they get, but there needs to be some restriction to defense so that someone who has no intent on confrontation doesn’t get their fucking head blown off or smashed in.

You shouldn’t be able to just intentionally kill someone because they’re in your home, but if they don’t leave immediately, you should be able to royally fuck them up beyond belief until they decide to bail. If they’ve got a weapon and they don’t leave within 5 seconds of you catching them in the house, that’s a different story.

At that point it should be safe to argue that you were in mortal danger and exacted equal punishment to the invader that they intended to inflict on you. If they don’t leave immediately after being caught, they make a conscious choice to remain in the face of danger. The problem I see is that if someone carrying a weapon in your home is beaten and let go, there’s a chance they hold a grudge against you and come back to exact vengeance.

You shouldn’t have to move and abandon your home just because some fucking degenerate is butthurt about having their ass beat. If they leave without a fight, let them leave. If they stay while you’ve got a bat or a golf club in your hand, you should have full license to revoke their right to personal safety. This is just my opinion.

I love my wife more than anything and the thought of someone even threatening her by breaching into our home while she’s there would make it very difficult to remain sane in the moment. I think it would be foolish to treat that as anything other than a mortal threat.

We will agree to disagree

So, you must not let the adrenaline flow to help you out, got it. I am not a very large man (was an even smaller kid) compared to the average, I have been victimized many times. When I did win a fight in grade school, I almost chocked the kid out completely, he didn’t get up right away when I did finally come back to myself, after he hit me once I only saw black shapes in a red haze I had no idea what I had done. I got in shit, he who started it got to leave with no punishment. So yeah… sure

I only saw black shapes in a red haze I had no idea what I had done

and you want guns and castle doctrine like in Murica? glad this is not the case

You break into a house, threaten the people inside, you get what you deserve. If they break your bones or end your life, THAT is the risk YOU take. Fuck this holding the VICTIM responsible. Not much I like from US law, but stand your ground and castle doctrine really ring true for me after being home invaded, robbed, and beaten by 3 invaders. What did the cops do? fuck all. Next fucker breaks intro my house will be dealing with trauma for the rest of their lives.

edit: Thank you to all who up AND down voted, and engaged in conversation, I appreciate it, and it was cathartic. I won’t be responding to any more of this post as I have said all I will on this. Remember to not get too mad at dissenting opinions and try to have a great day.

So…someone else doing something bad, means you get a pass to do something even worse?

“He tried to steal from me, so I get to murder him”?

Does that really make sense to you?

Where did I say guns? If I had a gun I wouldn’t have been in the seeing red space, he woulda had a hole in him, one hole more than factory. I don’t own guns (for obvious reasons) and don’t want one personally, I like our gun laws, I don’t like our legal system as there is no justice for the wronged. If the intruder survives their idiocy then they should be punished. If you break into someone’s house you are a threat to their existence and should be dealt with accordingly, if they leave when confronted then they leave, if not they deserve everything they get until you regain control.

Give homeowners the same benefit of the doubt

Plenty of people defend themselves without getting charged. Guarantee this guy could have stopped but didn’t. That’s 99% of what constitutes unreasonable force.

Everyone who thinks he was automatically charged for fighting back and winning is misinformed.

Canadians have a legal right to defend themselves. But logically that doesn’t grant you the right to counter-assault or murder others.

The fact that the RCMP are not releasing any details indicates they have a real case against this guy. For all we know he punched him out than laid the boots on his unconscious body.

Where did I say guns? If I had a gun I wouldn’t have been in the seeing red space, he woulda had a hole in him, one hole more than factory. I don’t own guns (for obvious reasons) and don’t want one personally, I like our gun laws, I don’t like our legal system as there is no justice for the wronged. If the intruder survives their idiocy then they should be punished. If you break into someone’s house you are a threat to their existence and should be dealt with accordingly, if they leave when confronted then they leave, if not they deserve everything they get until you regain control.