If a cold country is asking for our gas, especially to eliminate dependence on a hostile foreign regime, that is definitely a worldwide improvement and harm reduction for millions of people. Its wishful thinking to say ‘eliminate it’ but thats not going to happen overnight, if ever, in some countries. If we have the resource NOW and they need it NOW, then its in their best interest AND ours to sell it to them now.

I bet it would if younger people bothered to go vote or if voting was mandatory and/or proportional.

Maybe but we have to work with what we have, believe me, we’re on the same side, just trying to avoid a conservative majority

I know.

I’m sorry, but that is such a shitty take. So because we’re not the biggest polluters, we shouldn’t make any effort to curb our emissions? Even if climate scientists are warning us that right now we need to drastically cut oil production, we shouldn’t take any initiatives if no one else does?

What the fuck man?

Canada is in the top 10 largest emitters of greenhouse gasses in the world. In 2023 we produced approx 800 million tons of of carbon emissions. Just behind Saudi Arabia. (Source)

Also take a look at this chart from the government of Canada about greenhouse gas emissions from large facilities and look how many are from Alberta. Especially red ones. The biggest emittors are located mostly in Alberta and southern Ontario. We can take a guess at what industries those are related to.

Per capita, we emit way too much pollution per person.

Also we had an engagement to reach certain goals according to the Paris Climate Change Agreement and instead of following through, we basically told everyone we’d stop trying. Along with many other countries. Those goals were important to avoid a drastic increase of global temperatures. And look at where we are now. There’s essentially no turning back. The climate is going to be fucked for good and we need to brace to deal with the consequences.

Yukon started their own party and decimated both the liberals and conservatives in the territorial/provincial election.

Goes to show that it is possible.

If a fishing boat is sinking because there are two big guys sitting on the stern and scooping 5 gallon buckets of water into it as fast as they can, its absolutely pointless to yell at the guy at the bow dribbling it in with a teaspoon, “Do your part and use a thimble instead!”

The only way to make any measurable difference in emissions is to slow down or stop those two guys with the buckets.

The world isn’t ‘sinking’ because Canada isn’t doing enough. Its sinking because we support and buy every product that China and the US produce and our multinational companies and gov leaders have no intention of stopping that and Canadians have very little desire to pay more for goods that cost more but pollute less. If you shop at Amazon, Walmart, Temu, Alibaba, Aliexpress you’re the reason we’re sinking.

In your analogy, we’re also using a bucket. Not a spoon. And on top of that, we’re helping the other guys as well is what you’re saying.

Imagine a lake, say the one below Niagara Falls. Water flows in, and water flows out. It seems impossible that lake could ever flood bases on the puny efforts of humanity, doesn’t it? But, if you upset the balance, either adding too much water, or taking away too much, that lake will flood or nearly disappear. And it doesn’t take the volume of Niagara Falls to make that happen, just more, or less, than the existing system can handle. And it may not happen in a day, or even in a year. But that’s okay, we’ve been putting carbon dioxide from fossil fuels into the atmosphere for a couple centuries.

Our planet has had volcanoes since it had a surface for volcanoes to erupt from. The carbon in that oil hasn’t been interacting with our atmosphere for a long time. And it’s true that the planet, and life on it, will continue if we released all of it. But evolution is generally very slow at adapting, and when it’s fast it’s usually because the things that can’t handle the change die off to make way for species that are more fit for the new environment than the current ones. One of those creatures that could die off, or have a massive die-back before recovering, is humanity, and I’d rather my species not have to go through that.

And no, your single car doesn’t produce much. A single mosquito doesn’t kill many people, either. But there are millions of cars just like yours, just like there are billions of mosquitoes spreading disease to humans, killing millions every year. So, even though a barrel of crude oil is only the equivalent to about half a ton of atmospheric CO2, those 35 billion barrels of oil per year gives us about 16 billion tons of CO2. All of that above and beyond the relatively stable environment we’ve had the last 5000 years or so. And by the way, volcanoes are estimated to emit about half a billion tons of CO2 per year, whereas humans emit about 35 billion tons, about half of that from oil alone. Sure, your little car doesn’t look like much, and the smog in a big city isn’t that much compared to what a volcanoes puts out on a good day, but that’s mostly because that volcano is doing all that emitting in one place. Oil wells would look pretty impressive, too, if we burned everything we were pumping as soon as we had it out of the ground.

1.5% for Canada’s emissions.

38% just from two countries - China and the US. Throw in India and its 44% of global emissions. From 3 countries out of 195.

98.5% of global emissions are NOT from Canada. We are barely a teaspoon.

Don’t spend too much effort there. They explained in this very thread that they don’t believe anthropogenic climate change is what the actual scientists working on this are telling us it is, with another shitty comparison (because a volcano feels like it’s doing much more than humans).

You cannot reason people out of something they were not reasoned into.

They are not short sighted. They just don’t give a shit about you or the country.

This type of thing isn’t a team sport. If the country goes to shit they will just move somewhere less shit.

Right, so let’s must not make any effort and throw our trash in the rivers and the lakes and jack up oil production and greenhouse gas emissions because why the fuck not. Right?

What a shit mentality.

And you do understand the reason why these countries pollute so much is because all our industries moved their production there, thanks to globalization efforts, for the very reason that they lack costly environmental protection like we have here in our western countries, right? We’re in large part responsible for that pollution.

I’d prefer we do our part instead and be a leading example that we can be proud of instead of nihilistic assholes.

Your first comment is outlandish and not anything close to the opinion I presented.

And yes, you’re saying exactly the same thing I did when you agree that we’re responsible for moving our production elsewhere. Thats my point. We still buy everything from China and THAT’S the world’s primary polluter not the oil and gas industry.

Did you miss the part where I said we don’t get enough return for it to build infrastructure for it. We already bought a pipeline for $4B dollars that we didn’t want. They need it now, we need it tomorrow.

Everyone, before responding to this person, be advised that this is a climate change “skeptic” who shills for the Oil and Gas industry and spouts doomerist propaganda that any anti-emissions policy in Canada is pointless because we are “only” producing 1.5% of global emissions.

Glad you warned ‘everyone’ about my ‘doomerist propaganda’.

Or maybe I just think for myself, look at the facts as best as they can be determined, and don’t buy into the ‘doom and gloom’ propaganda that says we’re all going to be dead from climate change in the next few years.

I didnt say ANY emissions policy in Canada is pointless. REASONABLE and moderate policy is fine, but things like requiring all cars sold in Canada to be EVs by 2035 are just ridiculous and wrong headed, especially in Canada (and I even drive one).

Who is the “we” that didn’t want the Trans Mountain pipeline? Would that be the Gov of Canada that gets about 1.25 billion in revenue this year from the pipeline? Would that be the 15,000 well paid employees that built and run the pipeline? Would that be the AB and BC gov’s who gain a lot of income tax from those employees? Would that be the people in China, South Korea, Japan, and India who buy most of that oil so they don’t have to burn coal to power their industries and don’t have to rely on shady countries like Russia? Or is it Quebecers who benefit from 14 BILLION a year in transfer payments, the vast majority of which comes from Alberta’s oil revenues? Which “we” are we referring to?

So more partie like the Bloc Québécois?

It’s both, really. Trump and PP.