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38% support some privatization of Canada Post

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  • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

    It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.

    That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.

    Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/

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    zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com
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    It’s a service, not a business.

    Fuck

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    • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

      It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.

      That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.

      Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/

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      agm@lemmy.ca
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      #40

      I would rather a regulatory and subsidization approach direct aimed at targeting the high-value segments of package delivery currently making money for private competitors. Build a business plan to go head-to-head with them on their most profitable market share, but with support of the federal government. Become more sustainable by taking the profits away from UPS and FedEx.

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      • B bluebadoo@lemmy.world

        You could have written 47% opposed privatizing some of Canada Post, the larger percentage of that group. By choosing the smaller opinion group, you make it seem like the support for privatizing some of our public service is actually the more popular opinion, when it is not.

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        Avid Amoeba
        wrote on last edited by avidamoeba@lemmy.ca
        #41

        Interesting. I specifically wanted to highlight the worst case scenario - that the people who support privatization are just 38%. To me that’s the really important bit. But you do you.

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        • Z zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com

          It’s a service, not a business.

          Fuck

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          chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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          It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone. The letter mail stuff almost entirely consists of financial statements and bills (so also business). Since CP is losing a ton of money, they’re effectively subsidizing all these businesses with below-cost mail delivery.

          When was the last time you corresponded with someone via letter mail? I can’t even remember the last letter I got. It must’ve been years ago. Why do we need daily delivery for that?

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          • C chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world

            It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone. The letter mail stuff almost entirely consists of financial statements and bills (so also business). Since CP is losing a ton of money, they’re effectively subsidizing all these businesses with below-cost mail delivery.

            When was the last time you corresponded with someone via letter mail? I can’t even remember the last letter I got. It must’ve been years ago. Why do we need daily delivery for that?

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            Avid Amoeba
            wrote on last edited by avidamoeba@lemmy.ca
            #43

            What about all the packages they deliver from all sorts of businesses around Canada and the world. Most of the stuff I order ships with CP. Just received some coffee from Montreal. This should be subsidized. If freight was more expensive I would be buying a lot less from small businesses across Canada.

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            • B bluebadoo@lemmy.world

              You could have written 47% opposed privatizing some of Canada Post, the larger percentage of that group. By choosing the smaller opinion group, you make it seem like the support for privatizing some of our public service is actually the more popular opinion, when it is not.

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              howrar@lemmy.ca
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              #44

              If I saw “47% opposed privatization”, I’d be here complaining that the title is trying to make people think that the majority (53%) support privatization.

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              • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.

                That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.

                Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/

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                howrar@lemmy.ca
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                #45

                The union proposed hiring more people and spreading out their work across the week to cover all 7 days while giving everyone 5 days of full time work. Why was that option not part of the poll?

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                • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                  What about all the packages they deliver from all sorts of businesses around Canada and the world. Most of the stuff I order ships with CP. Just received some coffee from Montreal. This should be subsidized. If freight was more expensive I would be buying a lot less from small businesses across Canada.

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                  chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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                  #46

                  The volume of packages is very low compared to letters. I work in a mail room. We send out upwards of 10,000 letters per day. We also send out packages but the number is fewer than 100.

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                  • C chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world

                    The volume of packages is very low compared to letters. I work in a mail room. We send out upwards of 10,000 letters per day. We also send out packages but the number is fewer than 100.

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                    Avid Amoeba
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                    #47

                    That makes sense. It is probably different for a shop that ships products to people.

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                    • H howrar@lemmy.ca

                      If I saw “47% opposed privatization”, I’d be here complaining that the title is trying to make people think that the majority (53%) support privatization.

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                      bluebadoo@lemmy.world
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                      Then perhaps we all agree that quoting stats without the whole context present is misleading.

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                      • C chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world

                        It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone. The letter mail stuff almost entirely consists of financial statements and bills (so also business). Since CP is losing a ton of money, they’re effectively subsidizing all these businesses with below-cost mail delivery.

                        When was the last time you corresponded with someone via letter mail? I can’t even remember the last letter I got. It must’ve been years ago. Why do we need daily delivery for that?

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                        setVeryLoud(true);
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                        It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone.

                        Because it’s one of their revenue streams. Nationalize Canada Post, stop caring about revenue and stop delivering non-addressed mail.

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                        • B bluebadoo@lemmy.world

                          Then perhaps we all agree that quoting stats without the whole context present is misleading.

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                          howrar@lemmy.ca
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                          #50

                          Yeah, maybe something like “Poll results on privatization of Canada Post”.

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                          • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                            It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.

                            That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.

                            Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/

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                            tankovayadiviziya@lemmy.world
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                            Here in Ireland, the government postal service diversified and now also provides financial services to remain relevant and liquid. You can set up a current account with them, or withdraw cash through a post office if you already have an existing current account with another bank. I think An Post also allows you to buy bonds. They have also even entered mobile carrier service.

                            Other postal service in many parts of the world should follow the same model to remain relevant. These new additional and modernised services would be beneficial to serve remote communities not easily covered by mobile carriers, banking institutions and/or still rely on traditional mail service.

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                            • T tankovayadiviziya@lemmy.world

                              Here in Ireland, the government postal service diversified and now also provides financial services to remain relevant and liquid. You can set up a current account with them, or withdraw cash through a post office if you already have an existing current account with another bank. I think An Post also allows you to buy bonds. They have also even entered mobile carrier service.

                              Other postal service in many parts of the world should follow the same model to remain relevant. These new additional and modernised services would be beneficial to serve remote communities not easily covered by mobile carriers, banking institutions and/or still rely on traditional mail service.

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                              Avid Amoeba
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                              The Canada Post workers union has literally suggested some if not all of this.

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                              • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                                The Canada Post workers union has literally suggested some if not all of this.

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                                tankovayadiviziya@lemmy.world
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                                Really? It is a shame that none of the suggestions are ever implemented.

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                                • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                                  It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.

                                  That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.

                                  Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/

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                                  corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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                                  38% of Canadians have obviously never used Purcolator, our last attempt at privatization.

                                  And if you tried to use Purcolator and they couldn’t find your house for pickup, that counts.

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                                  • C chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world

                                    It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone. The letter mail stuff almost entirely consists of financial statements and bills (so also business). Since CP is losing a ton of money, they’re effectively subsidizing all these businesses with below-cost mail delivery.

                                    When was the last time you corresponded with someone via letter mail? I can’t even remember the last letter I got. It must’ve been years ago. Why do we need daily delivery for that?

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                                    corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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                                    It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses

                                    almost entirely consists of financial statements

                                    When was the last time you

                                    I can’t even remember

                                    • 4 points
                                    • 2 of them bad-faith arguments
                                    • 0 of them pertinent to whether a consolidated mail service with a mandate to deliver mail from and two all Canadians (even if it’s not the profitable places) is something we need to preserve as a service; just like roads we all pay to maintain that go to places we don’t need to go to.

                                    because

                                    when is the last time you

                                    • drove? 2 years ago
                                    • rode a bus? 2 years ago
                                    • used a school? 30+ years ago
                                    • needed police? never so far
                                    • needed an ambulance?
                                    • needed a fireman? 38 years ago

                                    But I still fucking pay for those! This is a society and we do that; don’t be selfish.

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                                    • T tankovayadiviziya@lemmy.world

                                      Here in Ireland, the government postal service diversified and now also provides financial services to remain relevant and liquid. You can set up a current account with them, or withdraw cash through a post office if you already have an existing current account with another bank. I think An Post also allows you to buy bonds. They have also even entered mobile carrier service.

                                      Other postal service in many parts of the world should follow the same model to remain relevant. These new additional and modernised services would be beneficial to serve remote communities not easily covered by mobile carriers, banking institutions and/or still rely on traditional mail service.

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                                      captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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                                      Oh the US did that in WWII, it was apparently so good we won’t ever try it again.

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                                      • C corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca

                                        38% of Canadians have obviously never used Purcolator, our last attempt at privatization.

                                        And if you tried to use Purcolator and they couldn’t find your house for pickup, that counts.

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                                        brax@sh.itjust.works
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                                        #57

                                        “Purcolator” 😂

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                                        • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                                          It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.

                                          That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.

                                          Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/

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                                          brax@sh.itjust.works
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                                          This survey is dumb. $20/year to maintain postal service how? Through a subscription to a private company or through income tax to support the current implementation?

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