38% support some privatization of Canada Post
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It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone. The letter mail stuff almost entirely consists of financial statements and bills (so also business). Since CP is losing a ton of money, they’re effectively subsidizing all these businesses with below-cost mail delivery.
When was the last time you corresponded with someone via letter mail? I can’t even remember the last letter I got. It must’ve been years ago. Why do we need daily delivery for that?
What about all the packages they deliver from all sorts of businesses around Canada and the world. Most of the stuff I order ships with CP. Just received some coffee from Montreal. This should be subsidized. If freight was more expensive I would be buying a lot less from small businesses across Canada.
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You could have written 47% opposed privatizing some of Canada Post, the larger percentage of that group. By choosing the smaller opinion group, you make it seem like the support for privatizing some of our public service is actually the more popular opinion, when it is not.
If I saw “47% opposed privatization”, I’d be here complaining that the title is trying to make people think that the majority (53%) support privatization.
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It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.
That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.
Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/
The union proposed hiring more people and spreading out their work across the week to cover all 7 days while giving everyone 5 days of full time work. Why was that option not part of the poll?
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What about all the packages they deliver from all sorts of businesses around Canada and the world. Most of the stuff I order ships with CP. Just received some coffee from Montreal. This should be subsidized. If freight was more expensive I would be buying a lot less from small businesses across Canada.
The volume of packages is very low compared to letters. I work in a mail room. We send out upwards of 10,000 letters per day. We also send out packages but the number is fewer than 100.
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The volume of packages is very low compared to letters. I work in a mail room. We send out upwards of 10,000 letters per day. We also send out packages but the number is fewer than 100.
That makes sense. It is probably different for a shop that ships products to people.
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If I saw “47% opposed privatization”, I’d be here complaining that the title is trying to make people think that the majority (53%) support privatization.
Then perhaps we all agree that quoting stats without the whole context present is misleading.
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It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone. The letter mail stuff almost entirely consists of financial statements and bills (so also business). Since CP is losing a ton of money, they’re effectively subsidizing all these businesses with below-cost mail delivery.
When was the last time you corresponded with someone via letter mail? I can’t even remember the last letter I got. It must’ve been years ago. Why do we need daily delivery for that?
It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone.
Because it’s one of their revenue streams. Nationalize Canada Post, stop caring about revenue and stop delivering non-addressed mail.
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Then perhaps we all agree that quoting stats without the whole context present is misleading.
Yeah, maybe something like “Poll results on privatization of Canada Post”.
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It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.
That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.
Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/
Here in Ireland, the government postal service diversified and now also provides financial services to remain relevant and liquid. You can set up a current account with them, or withdraw cash through a post office if you already have an existing current account with another bank. I think An Post also allows you to buy bonds. They have also even entered mobile carrier service.
Other postal service in many parts of the world should follow the same model to remain relevant. These new additional and modernised services would be beneficial to serve remote communities not easily covered by mobile carriers, banking institutions and/or still rely on traditional mail service.
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Here in Ireland, the government postal service diversified and now also provides financial services to remain relevant and liquid. You can set up a current account with them, or withdraw cash through a post office if you already have an existing current account with another bank. I think An Post also allows you to buy bonds. They have also even entered mobile carrier service.
Other postal service in many parts of the world should follow the same model to remain relevant. These new additional and modernised services would be beneficial to serve remote communities not easily covered by mobile carriers, banking institutions and/or still rely on traditional mail service.
The Canada Post workers union has literally suggested some if not all of this.
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The Canada Post workers union has literally suggested some if not all of this.
Really? It is a shame that none of the suggestions are ever implemented.
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It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.
That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.
Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/
38% of Canadians have obviously never used Purcolator, our last attempt at privatization.
And if you tried to use Purcolator and they couldn’t find your house for pickup, that counts.
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It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses to send junk mail to everyone. The letter mail stuff almost entirely consists of financial statements and bills (so also business). Since CP is losing a ton of money, they’re effectively subsidizing all these businesses with below-cost mail delivery.
When was the last time you corresponded with someone via letter mail? I can’t even remember the last letter I got. It must’ve been years ago. Why do we need daily delivery for that?
It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses
almost entirely consists of financial statements
When was the last time you
I can’t even remember
- 4 points
- 2 of them bad-faith arguments
- 0 of them pertinent to whether a consolidated mail service with a mandate to deliver mail from and two all Canadians (even if it’s not the profitable places) is something we need to preserve as a service; just like roads we all pay to maintain that go to places we don’t need to go to.
because
when is the last time you
- drove? 2 years ago
- rode a bus? 2 years ago
- used a school? 30+ years ago
- needed police? never so far
- needed an ambulance?
- needed a fireman? 38 years ago
But I still fucking pay for those! This is a society and we do that; don’t be selfish.
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Here in Ireland, the government postal service diversified and now also provides financial services to remain relevant and liquid. You can set up a current account with them, or withdraw cash through a post office if you already have an existing current account with another bank. I think An Post also allows you to buy bonds. They have also even entered mobile carrier service.
Other postal service in many parts of the world should follow the same model to remain relevant. These new additional and modernised services would be beneficial to serve remote communities not easily covered by mobile carriers, banking institutions and/or still rely on traditional mail service.
Oh the US did that in WWII, it was apparently so good we won’t ever try it again.
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38% of Canadians have obviously never used Purcolator, our last attempt at privatization.
And if you tried to use Purcolator and they couldn’t find your house for pickup, that counts.
“Purcolator”
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It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.
That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.
Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/
This survey is dumb. $20/year to maintain postal service how? Through a subscription to a private company or through income tax to support the current implementation?
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Well that’s the thing, in some places snail mail is fast. UK for instance has places with delivery twice a day, meaning you can “courier” items across a city same day. The post offices in Canada turned to crap as soon as they started hacking the service down.
Our neighbourhood changed to community mailbox, the CP truck would pass my house and drop a notice “sorry we missed you” into the community mailbox because the package wouldn’t fit in the mailbox. And then leave and pass my house again. Not really a mail delivery service more of a notification for pickup service.
Canada is 9,984,670sq km with a population density of 4.5/sq km. That’s ~2.2m routes to see all Canadians 5-times a week.
The UK is 244,376sq km with a population density of 286/sq km. If there was universal coverage that’d be about ~1000 delivery-person-routes per day. So delivering a route is orders of magnitude easier, faster, and simpler for the workers at the Royal Mail.
If the UK only had once a day delivery they’d be 0.045% as efficient as thier Canadian counterparts.
EVEN WITH twice daily delivery the Royal Mail has less than 1% the efficiency of CUPW workers.
With that said, both face external (couriers) and internal (government) pressure to profit.
Ask yourself this: as a service to citizens of both countries, what other public services have to make a profit? National Defence? National Healthcare? National Police?
None do because privateers have already raped and pillaged those services for maximum profit as suppliers. So they don’t get lobbied the same - or even compared.
No, just Postal services with their well developed contact with the communities they serve are singled out to be profit centers for cash hungry politicians.
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It’s a service that’s mostly used by businesses
almost entirely consists of financial statements
When was the last time you
I can’t even remember
- 4 points
- 2 of them bad-faith arguments
- 0 of them pertinent to whether a consolidated mail service with a mandate to deliver mail from and two all Canadians (even if it’s not the profitable places) is something we need to preserve as a service; just like roads we all pay to maintain that go to places we don’t need to go to.
because
when is the last time you
- drove? 2 years ago
- rode a bus? 2 years ago
- used a school? 30+ years ago
- needed police? never so far
- needed an ambulance?
- needed a fireman? 38 years ago
But I still fucking pay for those! This is a society and we do that; don’t be selfish.
Financial statements can be sent electronically. We are literally creating huge volumes of paper, spending a ton of money and creating a ton of CO2 and other industrial waste, just to send a bit of information that could’ve been an email that most people just throw away without reading anyway.
Buses and roads are used by millions to get to work/school. Police are protecting you even if you never call them (countries without credible police are extremely dangerous; police have an extremely powerful deterrent effect against organized crime). Even if you’ve never driven or used a bus you’ve definitely eaten food that has travelled on a road multiple times before reaching you (unless you live on a commune out in the country in which case you probably shouldn’t be paying taxes for all that stuff).
Anyway the point wasn’t even that there shouldn’t be a postal service, just that we don’t need daily delivery. If we eliminated non-addressed mail and made all financial statements electronic then the postal workers would be driving empty vans around town every day. We could easily switch to weekly delivery without impacting service much at all.
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It’s nice to see that we no longer trust privatization as a the magic wand that solves public institution problems.
That said I think the 52% support for non-union gig work in Canada Post is indicative of the mindset that needs shifting if Canada is to change course in a way that makes most people better off long term.
Source: https://angusreid.org/canada-post-privatization-strike-service-disruption-vote-union/
The postal service in Denmark was opened in 1624.
It was privatized in 2009. It will shut down at the end of 2025.
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Financial statements can be sent electronically. We are literally creating huge volumes of paper, spending a ton of money and creating a ton of CO2 and other industrial waste, just to send a bit of information that could’ve been an email that most people just throw away without reading anyway.
Buses and roads are used by millions to get to work/school. Police are protecting you even if you never call them (countries without credible police are extremely dangerous; police have an extremely powerful deterrent effect against organized crime). Even if you’ve never driven or used a bus you’ve definitely eaten food that has travelled on a road multiple times before reaching you (unless you live on a commune out in the country in which case you probably shouldn’t be paying taxes for all that stuff).
Anyway the point wasn’t even that there shouldn’t be a postal service, just that we don’t need daily delivery. If we eliminated non-addressed mail and made all financial statements electronic then the postal workers would be driving empty vans around town every day. We could easily switch to weekly delivery without impacting service much at all.
I don’t agree with you on mail at all. Not everything can be emailed to you. My bills are emailed/texted to me… But I still get some finicial papers, forms, and letters sent via the mail. I also get packages still delivered via canada post. You can mail in election votes. I depend on it.
