Canada’s tariff wall on Chinese electric vehicles is deepening dependence on the U.S.
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Panniers? Baskets? Trailers? E-bikes? You already said you have a bike so unless you cant ride it, there are plenty of solutions to that problem
You have no idea how much groceries I purchase.
This whole thread you’ve been telling me all about what I should be doing with my time, my resources, my life. You know nothing about it but you’re keen to tell me how I should live it. Have I told anyone “no, you should ditch your bike and use a car instead?” No. People should use whatever form of transportation works best for them, based on their own needs and opinions.
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“No one has firm plans to make EVs in Canada” - Not true, Canada had and still has Lion Electric for example. All Canadian schools should get their buses there. It’s a great place for adoption to start. They also had/have trucks. Lack of support from Canada is shameful.
Didn’t Lion Electric go bankrupt?
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You’ve just been listing reasons why you cant ride a bike for anything. Just say you dont want to ride a bike.
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You’ve just been listing reasons why you cant ride a bike for anything. Just say you dont want to ride a bike.
Here’s the comment where I acknowledge that yes, I physically could ride a bike. I could spend hours out of my day pumping pedals to haul cargo around. It would be exhausting and waste a ton of time but I could theoretically do it.
What else do you want me to do? You seem very free to tell me what I should be doing with my time and effort, what else am I doing wrong with my life that you know better about?
Or maybe my time and comfort is worth more to me than satisfying you, and that’s fine because different people have different priorities. Go ahead and pedal everywhere, let neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stop you. It stops me. If you want me to bike everywhere then you’ll need to offer some kind of solution to those things, the way that cars already solve them for me.
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Once cheap imported EVs is sold in Canada, there’s no way for Canada to build its own EV industry, which would remove the demand for batteries to be made in Canada
Then it doesn’t make sense as an industry for us.
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We went through this with Japan in the 80s. Get them to build here.
As for Chinese autos…is the media willfully ignorant at how close the Chinese EV industry is to implosion? BYD is months behind paying suppliers. All this is moot, in a year, most Chinese EV makers will be broke and the EVs will be in the world’s landfills within 5 years.
There is no business model. No one can tool up and build EVs in Canada to fight over what MAYBE will be 25% of sales in ten years. Canadians are not buying EVs.
As for Chinese autos…is the media willfully ignorant at how close the Chinese EV industry is to implosion? BYD is months behind paying suppliers. All this is moot, in a year, most Chinese EV makers will be broke and the EVs will be in the world’s landfills within 5 years.
Are we sure about this? because the rumour mill had China imploding because of construction for the past 5 years…
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Canada should not be doing business with either country. When we can, we should decouple from both entirely.
No need to make nice with hostile dictatorships. Especially when those hostile dictatorships are constantly attacking our country and citizens on a regular basis.
Buy a bike. Electric cars are not the answer.
Buy a bike. Electric cars are not the answer.
yeah right… bikes are awesome in the 6 months winter most of us have to survive yearly in Canada
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I had a bike living in the rural parts of Canada, and used it to get everywhere within the 50-100 kms I needed to go.
in Winter?
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Why does Canada tariff them? Do they have domestic production they are protecting?
We do manufacturer some cars
The government justified its “tariff fortress” by pointing to China’s extensive industrial policy, such as subsidies, that artificially lower production costs. The tariffs were claimed to protect domestic producers by offsetting the cost advantage enjoyed by Chinese EV manufacturers.
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Once cheap imported EVs is sold in Canada, there’s no way for Canada to build its own EV industry, which would remove the demand for batteries to be made in Canada
we are never going to build our own ev industry in time for it make any difference, the only places doing it are incredibly niche small companies making “kei trucks” and buses for public transit, or parts and assembly for foreign companies. and it would take decades for us to achieve a similar quality product that china has right now, if ever, and never at an affordable price in comparison.
the reason everyone isnt driving electric is because we dont have the availability, infrastructure, and pricing that makes it worthwhile.
we can 100% still make batteries and offer alternate solutions with said batteries rather than using them to create our “own ev line” we could make drop in battery/motor conversion kits for instance. for bikes, cars, trucks, buses, whatever you can imagine.
also we could use them to create and maintain municipal public transit, like torontos/vancouvers rental ebikes, except not privately owned. buses are already being converted as well. (looking at you winnipeg)
having locally made batteries will never not be valuable. having additional options and RnD cant hurt.
realistically speaking. theres zero chance we will be able to ever offer a more affordable and similar quality all canadian EV vehicle line up in the next several decades. thats a pipe dream.
but batteries, and the stuff to make them, will only go up in demand. and its possible that domestic batteries some day might be cheaper, if we play our cards right.
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Canada’s tariff wall on Chinese electric vehicles is deepening dependence on the U.S.
Lower, targeted tariffs on Chinese imports would ease financial pressures for Canadian consumers and mitigate Canada’s excessive reliance on the United States.
The Conversation (theconversation.com)
Canada has a fascist eyeing up on its ass while a pseudo-communist, quasi-state capitalist is giving him the sultry look from across the waters. Not exactly a good position to be in.
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Canada’s tariff wall on Chinese electric vehicles is deepening dependence on the U.S.
Lower, targeted tariffs on Chinese imports would ease financial pressures for Canadian consumers and mitigate Canada’s excessive reliance on the United States.
The Conversation (theconversation.com)
Fuck china and their spy hardware on wheels.
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in Winter?
Yes. With snow tires.
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Buy a bike. Electric cars are not the answer.
yeah right… bikes are awesome in the 6 months winter most of us have to survive yearly in Canada
bikes are awesome in the 6 months winter most of us have to survive yearly in Canada
I agree. They are pretty awesome in the winter, especially with snow tires on.
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Yeah, good job at not-debating.
He did not say he was not here to judge
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we are never going to build our own ev industry in time for it make any difference, the only places doing it are incredibly niche small companies making “kei trucks” and buses for public transit, or parts and assembly for foreign companies. and it would take decades for us to achieve a similar quality product that china has right now, if ever, and never at an affordable price in comparison.
the reason everyone isnt driving electric is because we dont have the availability, infrastructure, and pricing that makes it worthwhile.
we can 100% still make batteries and offer alternate solutions with said batteries rather than using them to create our “own ev line” we could make drop in battery/motor conversion kits for instance. for bikes, cars, trucks, buses, whatever you can imagine.
also we could use them to create and maintain municipal public transit, like torontos/vancouvers rental ebikes, except not privately owned. buses are already being converted as well. (looking at you winnipeg)
having locally made batteries will never not be valuable. having additional options and RnD cant hurt.
realistically speaking. theres zero chance we will be able to ever offer a more affordable and similar quality all canadian EV vehicle line up in the next several decades. thats a pipe dream.
but batteries, and the stuff to make them, will only go up in demand. and its possible that domestic batteries some day might be cheaper, if we play our cards right.
We chose to allow the US to dictate our EV production and gave the emerging market to China. We don’t get the last 20 years back for a do over. Import Chinese cars, decrease dependency on the US. Return to selling our soybeans and whatever else to China.
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“No one has firm plans to make EVs in Canada” - Not true, Canada had and still has Lion Electric for example. All Canadian schools should get their buses there. It’s a great place for adoption to start. They also had/have trucks. Lack of support from Canada is shameful.
Lion Electric is broke, stock is at one cent.
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Once cheap imported EVs is sold in Canada, there’s no way for Canada to build its own EV industry, which would remove the demand for batteries to be made in Canada
Which is why the Chinese government wants to dump it’s cars here.
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we are never going to build our own ev industry in time for it make any difference, the only places doing it are incredibly niche small companies making “kei trucks” and buses for public transit, or parts and assembly for foreign companies. and it would take decades for us to achieve a similar quality product that china has right now, if ever, and never at an affordable price in comparison.
the reason everyone isnt driving electric is because we dont have the availability, infrastructure, and pricing that makes it worthwhile.
we can 100% still make batteries and offer alternate solutions with said batteries rather than using them to create our “own ev line” we could make drop in battery/motor conversion kits for instance. for bikes, cars, trucks, buses, whatever you can imagine.
also we could use them to create and maintain municipal public transit, like torontos/vancouvers rental ebikes, except not privately owned. buses are already being converted as well. (looking at you winnipeg)
having locally made batteries will never not be valuable. having additional options and RnD cant hurt.
realistically speaking. theres zero chance we will be able to ever offer a more affordable and similar quality all canadian EV vehicle line up in the next several decades. thats a pipe dream.
but batteries, and the stuff to make them, will only go up in demand. and its possible that domestic batteries some day might be cheaper, if we play our cards right.
The actual reason is that EVs are shit in cold weather. That’s not going to change.
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Canada does not have the technical knowledge to build EVs.
It’s true that we have expertise in machining. We do have cheaper metal sources, and lithium and rare earth resources that could be used to leverage Chinese automation for batteries, motors, gigapresses, and then use Canadian assembly workers to finish the cars.
The future is about engineering and design, and Canadian sustainability means avoiding anchoring ourselves to dead ender energy and processes.
Ford was saying yesterday “We need to protect the $46B government has invested in EV transition”. First, that is an absurd subsidy level, but to your point, it was always meant as a grift, because “real Canadians” don’t know how to make EVs.
With Chinese (or any other if they are volunteering) investment, in long term, it is technology transfer to Canadians. We’re too stupid to do anything disruptive/progressive is the path to staying stupid and falling behind.
We have zero IP on battery technology. All the factories Trudeau was funding were for outdated tech.
This country spends the lowest of the G8 on R&D and we have nothing to develop as a result of that.
So we invested $46B on corporate welfare on EV factories but you are LUCKY if NSERC will give you enough money for battery research to fund a single student.
This is a chronic problem of Canada and the reason why we constantly lose any edge in tech industry.
