Every angle including inside the players.

I trust whatever committee they have at the Olympics to make the judgement on this, but if our team is cheating, fuck those guys.

Yes, there’s some redactionist arguments about how it “doesn’t actually impact the rock,” but fuck that. We have a codified rule that specifically says you can’t do it, and these athletes are playing at literally the highest level that exists. They know better and have had time to practice better. If they’re cheating at the Olympics, I hope it follows them forever.

disagree. it isn’t conclusive. it shows that his finger was very close to touching for a few frames. that’s it. “very close” is not over the line. his finger is just enough on the back side that it’s inconclusive.

it’s a bit of a weird motion, sure, but watch a bunch of throws from various people and you’ll see some similar stuff.

that said, adjust your delivery so you’re not in this position in the first place. and settle down, even if there’s an ongoing issue you’re annoyed about.

I do find it funny that this is such a big deal but you can see people all over the place in this tournament dragging their finger(s) down the back of the handle at release, seemingly over the stone as well (yes I recognize that is a different motion that poking forward after being behind it)

You can touch the handle several times if you want

I’m glad that Canadian guy throwing out the f-bombs apologized for it. I still think he was a dick but I can get over the lashing out if it comes with repentance.

Because extreme cases can impact the rock. Barely touching the rock in the way caught on film realistically isn’t impacting the rock, but the rule needs to exist to prevent someone from actively pushing the rock after letting go.

But again, these guys know better and have had the time and resources to train better.

Just make a raunchy show about the gay relationship of 2 curlers from opposing teams and suddenly women everywhere will be interested.

(Heated Rivalry for those uninitiated)

It makes sense if you understand its historical context. Its a traditional winter game from the 16th century when people were bored out of their minds in the cold ass scottland winters.

I appreciate you finding that article - interesting one.

I’m very much amateur curler, and can’t see how that tiny touch would impact it, but maybe it does at that level of competition.

Using a perfect shot to stop on the button with no spin, and energy= all kinetic (1/2mv2) =friction energy(F*deltaX), we get a release speed of 1.8m/s (with a .006 coefficient), and a 2.98m/s speed (with a 0.016 coefficient).

Using the same equation, I go ahead and rerun the number, but adding a distance of 0.1m, a value I used as a good approximation of a reliable accuracy of an Olympic throw, and a time of 0.2s (the approximate time I estimated based on the video), which means a deltaX2 of 0.36m, or 0.596m.

1/2mv2+fapplieddeltaX2 = ffrictiondeltaX Fapplied comes out to 0.326N to 0.526N which is a miniscule amount.

That seems to indicate that a tiny touch DOES have the potential to make a significant difference. Some sources say 0.25 to 0.5N is required for a keyboard press, so its roughly on par with that

But, how much of a difference does the sweeping make on stone speed? Its easy to say that tiny change can impact things, but how does it compare to, say, sweeping hard vs not sweeping?

This study shows a sweeping change of 45+/-8mm. Thus a change of 25% on top of that is not insignificant.

So the last question is, does it make sense for someone to train specifically by cheating this way rather than doing it right and just pushing off with a more accurate force? That’s likely going to be subjective, but seems difficult to me.

Who knows, maybe this is a crutch and it is making a difference. Sounds like they need to stop doing it any case, whether a way they’ve trained or not. Or wear a camera showing they don’t touch the rock and just hover their finger behind it.

No my friend, the point is we are on the Internet and nobody gives two shits how rough your neighborhood is. What the fuck is the point of telling me i get assaulted by poorly adjusted individuals over words? I wont meet them, i dont live in a country where we have “hoods”.

Sit down and stop acting like a badass in comment sections, nobody cares. The sheer fact that you are on this platform is evidence in itself that you are first and foremost a nerd, which is perfectly fine so why the posturing, lol.

You are certainly like most people: a coward.

I trust whatever committee they have at the Olympics to make the judgement on this, but if our team is cheating, fuck those guys.

Yes, there’s some redactionist arguments about how it “doesn’t actually impact the rock,” but fuck that. We have a codified rule that specifically says you can’t do it, and these athletes are playing at literally the highest level that exists. They know better and have had time to practice better. If they’re cheating at the Olympics, I hope it follows them forever.

Do you mean “get over” instead of “get behind”?

Crossposted from hexbear

I actually don’t believe that any of the accused in this care were intentionally cheating. Honestly it seems damn difficult to make any kind of consistently predictable trajectory change with the touches we’ve seen on video.

Your math and mine both show that a touch can impact the rock but I have to imagine that curling is like golf where you train and hone your swing (release) trying to make it as consistent and repeatable as possible. With that in mind you wouldn’t WANT a touch that mucks with the trajectory of the rock because you couldn’t ever do it precisely and repeatably enough to make it worthwhile.

In my opinion this controversy is happening because some curlers have an ingrained release routine that includes an unnecessary movement / flourish and competitors have decided to make issue of it because it’s getting close to giving a competitive advantage. That’s my two cents for what it’s worth.