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My Tesla Cybertruck Got Totaled After It Was Sideswiped by an E-Scooter. All-in, I paid $198K, but Insurance is Only Offering Me a “Fair Market Value” of $77K. I Still Owe the Bank $171,500

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  • Captain AggravatedC Captain Aggravated

    So I saw something about this.

    Apparently the Cybertruck is way more unibody than most cars, their “gigamold” technology or whatever where the truck is made out of a small number of unusually large parts means a bolt-on bolt-off repair on most cars is “the entire cab is bent, it’s done” on the DePlorean.

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    lyrl@lemm.ee
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    Zach at Jerry Rig Everything snapped the hitch and nearby frame off his cybertruck with an excavator (for science!), and Tesla repaired it for him and let him film the repair. They have a really impressive adhesive that lets them replace partial panels. (One neat engineering speck in the sea of Tesla awfulness.)

    It might not be that the truck is truly unrepairable, but it’s a relatively expensive repair, and insurance weighed the immediate cost plus future liability (the repair will always be blamed for future problems even if it’s not really the culprit) and decided totaling was the best decision for their business model.

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    • 2ugly2live2 2ugly2live

      Probably hard to find any recycled parts because there are so few of them on the road, and buying a new part is probably expensive and timely. I’m sure Telsa isn’t allowing any LKQ production either. And even if you get a part, you have to go to a shop that can work on the car, which will be expensive because who’s going to want to work on a vehicle that rusts when you look at it? Even if it seems fine, once someone is in an accident, every single thing that happens next will be the accident. Rear ended six months ago? Yup, that’s why your tire blew, not the nail in it. So that person will keep coming back. The new piece is rusted, the new piece isn’t as straight, the new piece buckled. An insurance company will absolutely total a car not just because the repairs are over the costs, but if it seems like it’s always going to have issues, they’ll make a decision to total it as the cheaper option. They do that with rodent issues all the time. And during all this, depending on his coverage, he’s racking up rental. And rental always runs out.

      He’s complaining about standard insurance practices. They don’t owe you the overpriced amount the dealership talked you into, they owe ACV/Actual Cash Value. The moment you leave the lot, it’s losing money. It doesn’t matter how great you took care of it, or if it’s like new. You don’t get the brand new, off the lot price, for a vehicle that’s no longer brand new, off the lot.

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      tikiporch@lemmy.world
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      I know you can for houses, but can you insure a vehicle for replacement cost?

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      • J jaberw0cky@lemmy.world

        This is why you also need gap insurance for anything but the cheapest cars. It exists to prevent this situation.

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        Camelbeard
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        #121

        Or you just don’t spend 200K on a cybertruck if you don’t have that kind of money. What is a cybertruck going to do for you that a 10K second hand truck can’t? Even if your second hand 10K truck burns down after a year, you can still buy a new one every year for 20 years for 200K.

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          goodoleamerika@lemmy.world
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          77k + 171k = 198k. This guy should not own anything.

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            wilco@lemm.ee
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            #123

            It is likely a fake story.

            1. The E-Scooter would have needed to hit that Cybertruck at like MACH 3 to do enough damage to warrant a total loss.
            2. He can refuse the total loss and demand they do repairs … yes, that is an option.
            3. The article is adding a $50k delivery fee to the value of the vehicle. This guy allegedly agreed to pay and finance Fifty Thousand Dollars to have a car delivered … everyone involved in doing this could be considered stupid.
            4. There is no way this guy is stupid enough to not have Gap coverage (unless he is MAGA, then I take it back).

            In a case like this the guy would have insurance over a barrel. He could turn down the total loss and demand repairs for so many reasons; The total loss is financially ruinous He could claim an emotional impact is involved in losing the vehicle and it needs repaired.

            If this story is true, no one is dumb enough (except MAGA) to just accept the total loss payout and not sue the insurance company.

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            • G goodoleamerika@lemmy.world

              77k + 171k = 198k. This guy should not own anything.

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              Bizzle
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              #124

              I think he owes 171 on a 198 loan, the insurance scumbags offered him 77, leaving him with 94

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                needanke@feddit.org
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                #125

                On the face of it, this might seem like a grave injustice committed by the insurance company; however, sadly, looking at the current Cybertruck secondary market, $77,000 is about the fair market value for a similarly spec’d Cybertruck.

                I don’t see what the problem is then? Like you take the 77k, buy an identical used truck and are back at where you were before the accident which is the whole point of insurance…

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                  skisnow@lemmy.ca
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                  #126

                  What’s the problem? He got $77k because that’s what’ll cost him to buy a used Cybertruck, which will put him back to where he was before the accident. The financial loss he’s taken already happened way before the accident.

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                    rin@lemm.ee
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                    Gap insurance exists for a reason ig

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                    • W wilco@lemm.ee

                      It is likely a fake story.

                      1. The E-Scooter would have needed to hit that Cybertruck at like MACH 3 to do enough damage to warrant a total loss.
                      2. He can refuse the total loss and demand they do repairs … yes, that is an option.
                      3. The article is adding a $50k delivery fee to the value of the vehicle. This guy allegedly agreed to pay and finance Fifty Thousand Dollars to have a car delivered … everyone involved in doing this could be considered stupid.
                      4. There is no way this guy is stupid enough to not have Gap coverage (unless he is MAGA, then I take it back).

                      In a case like this the guy would have insurance over a barrel. He could turn down the total loss and demand repairs for so many reasons; The total loss is financially ruinous He could claim an emotional impact is involved in losing the vehicle and it needs repaired.

                      If this story is true, no one is dumb enough (except MAGA) to just accept the total loss payout and not sue the insurance company.

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                      soup@lemmy.world
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                      #128

                      MAGA is 70+mil people in the US and intelligence is less of a steep climb after that and more of painful, barely perceptible slope toward eventual mediocrity. As for the E-Scooter, you’d be amazed how easy it is to damage a Cybertruck, and remember that total losses are connected more to repair costs than anything and these heaps of garbage can be very expensive to repair properly. Whether or not the guy challenges them on it I do not doubt that they easily could have declared it a total loss.

                      I feel like, at this point, if you say “no one could be that dumb” then you are using yourself to prove that they absolutely could be. It could even be fake in the end but you’re not right if you stumbled upon the correct answer using deeply flawed logic and got lucky.

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                      • BizzleB Bizzle

                        I think he owes 171 on a 198 loan, the insurance scumbags offered him 77, leaving him with 94

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                        soup@lemmy.world
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                        #129

                        Like others have said, $77k gets him into a used Cybertruck equivalent to what he had before. Insurance is systemically bad for so many reasons but it absolutely makes sense if it weren’t so morally corrupt and this is the part that makes sense. If I crashed my 2015 BRZ today I wouldn’t expect the full $25k I paid for it in 2018(although with the way used prices have been, I might actually get close to that, but that does not disagree with my point).

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                        • S soup@lemmy.world

                          Like others have said, $77k gets him into a used Cybertruck equivalent to what he had before. Insurance is systemically bad for so many reasons but it absolutely makes sense if it weren’t so morally corrupt and this is the part that makes sense. If I crashed my 2015 BRZ today I wouldn’t expect the full $25k I paid for it in 2018(although with the way used prices have been, I might actually get close to that, but that does not disagree with my point).

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                          Bizzle
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                          #130

                          Admittedly I don’t know how insurance works beyond the 10k ft view of “exploiting people for profit” and I’ve never totaled a vehicle

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                          • J jimmycakes@lemmy.world

                            200k to blow on a car but doesn’t have 30 bucks a month for gap insurance

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                            korhaka@sopuli.xyz
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                            #131

                            That is almost as much as my house which will actually gain value over time rather than lose it immediately

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                            • C Camelbeard

                              Or you just don’t spend 200K on a cybertruck if you don’t have that kind of money. What is a cybertruck going to do for you that a 10K second hand truck can’t? Even if your second hand 10K truck burns down after a year, you can still buy a new one every year for 20 years for 200K.

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                              lucelu2@lemm.ee
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                              #132

                              I don’t think a $10K secondhand pickup truck exists anymore.-- At least not one with a working engine.

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                                I don’t think a $10K secondhand pickup truck exists anymore.-- At least not one with a working engine.

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                                pahlimur@lemmy.world
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                                #133

                                Wut? My current tow vehicle was $3800, and I’m currently shopping for another pickup at <$2000. Cheap trucks still exist. People are getting too picky about how new it needs to be. Or they don’t want to turn wrenches.

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                                  gammelfisch@lemmy.world
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                                  Give the E-Scooter rider a medal. Four more and the person is an Ace.

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                                  • S sprunt@lemmy.world

                                    Rage bait? Read like a feel-good story to me.

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                                    mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de
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                                    Righteous-indignation-bait, equally as common. “Breaking news: person you don’t like experiences bad thing as result of what you dislike about them; more confirmation bias at 12”

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                                    • Captain AggravatedC Captain Aggravated

                                      So I saw something about this.

                                      Apparently the Cybertruck is way more unibody than most cars, their “gigamold” technology or whatever where the truck is made out of a small number of unusually large parts means a bolt-on bolt-off repair on most cars is “the entire cab is bent, it’s done” on the DePlorean.

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                                      mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de
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                                      I love how Musk will just put “giga” in front of things to make it sound cool. It’s sooooo silly and ridiculous, like something a 7 year old would do, or a comic book supervillain.

                                      “Sir we’ve finished the road to -”

                                      “The gigaroad.”

                                      “Er, yes, we finished the gigaroad to the facto-”

                                      “Gigafactory”

                                      “…”

                                      “😎”

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                                      • S soup@lemmy.world

                                        MAGA is 70+mil people in the US and intelligence is less of a steep climb after that and more of painful, barely perceptible slope toward eventual mediocrity. As for the E-Scooter, you’d be amazed how easy it is to damage a Cybertruck, and remember that total losses are connected more to repair costs than anything and these heaps of garbage can be very expensive to repair properly. Whether or not the guy challenges them on it I do not doubt that they easily could have declared it a total loss.

                                        I feel like, at this point, if you say “no one could be that dumb” then you are using yourself to prove that they absolutely could be. It could even be fake in the end but you’re not right if you stumbled upon the correct answer using deeply flawed logic and got lucky.

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                                        wilco@lemm.ee
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                                        #137

                                        No, I “stumbled” onto the answer because I have 4 years of total loss specialty appraisal experience and know exactly what I’m talking about.

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                                          canajac@lemmy.ca
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                                          Fake fucking news. Why is everyone latching on to this like it was real?

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