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Toronto’s unsold condo rate has reached ‘an incredible level’: expert

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  • nightowl@lemmy.caN This user is from outside of this forum
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    nightowl@lemmy.ca
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    Butler said there’s been “severe overbuilding” in the Toronto condo market for a number of years, specifically when it comes to smaller units.

    “The tiniest of tiny condos,” Butler said. “It’s weird that in a country like Canada where there’s been a consistent housing crisis for the last 10 years that if you build a very bad product, people won’t take it, it’s as simple as that.”

    Butler said many of the unsold condos on the market today are ones designed for investors or real estate speculators and are not practical for most families.

    “They are roughly the size of large hotel room, only meant to be rented out, and there’s been simply a massive overbuilding of non-family units,” he said, noting that many of the condos for sale in Toronto currently are 500-square-feet or less.

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    • nightowl@lemmy.caN nightowl@lemmy.ca

      Butler said there’s been “severe overbuilding” in the Toronto condo market for a number of years, specifically when it comes to smaller units.

      “The tiniest of tiny condos,” Butler said. “It’s weird that in a country like Canada where there’s been a consistent housing crisis for the last 10 years that if you build a very bad product, people won’t take it, it’s as simple as that.”

      Butler said many of the unsold condos on the market today are ones designed for investors or real estate speculators and are not practical for most families.

      “They are roughly the size of large hotel room, only meant to be rented out, and there’s been simply a massive overbuilding of non-family units,” he said, noting that many of the condos for sale in Toronto currently are 500-square-feet or less.

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      Funderpants
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      Investors and speculators should have to eat the loss, they took the risk now take the hit.

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        Investors and speculators should have to eat the loss, they took the risk now take the hit.

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        kichae@lemmy.ca
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        Yeah, but "risk" is just an empty buzz word that means "ownership deserves all the money". The line has to go up. If it doesn't go up, someone else has to pay for it!

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        • nightowl@lemmy.caN nightowl@lemmy.ca

          Butler said there’s been “severe overbuilding” in the Toronto condo market for a number of years, specifically when it comes to smaller units.

          “The tiniest of tiny condos,” Butler said. “It’s weird that in a country like Canada where there’s been a consistent housing crisis for the last 10 years that if you build a very bad product, people won’t take it, it’s as simple as that.”

          Butler said many of the unsold condos on the market today are ones designed for investors or real estate speculators and are not practical for most families.

          “They are roughly the size of large hotel room, only meant to be rented out, and there’s been simply a massive overbuilding of non-family units,” he said, noting that many of the condos for sale in Toronto currently are 500-square-feet or less.

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          arankays@lemmy.ca
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          The size is not the problem. It's small and expensive. It would be fine if these units were cheap and small.

          500-600 square feet is plenty for one person if the layout is good.

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          • nightowl@lemmy.caN nightowl@lemmy.ca

            Butler said there’s been “severe overbuilding” in the Toronto condo market for a number of years, specifically when it comes to smaller units.

            “The tiniest of tiny condos,” Butler said. “It’s weird that in a country like Canada where there’s been a consistent housing crisis for the last 10 years that if you build a very bad product, people won’t take it, it’s as simple as that.”

            Butler said many of the unsold condos on the market today are ones designed for investors or real estate speculators and are not practical for most families.

            “They are roughly the size of large hotel room, only meant to be rented out, and there’s been simply a massive overbuilding of non-family units,” he said, noting that many of the condos for sale in Toronto currently are 500-square-feet or less.

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            Toronto’s unsold condo rate has reached ‘an incredible level’: expert

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            notmyoldredditname@lemmy.world
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            #5

            Knock a wall down between them for a door and remove one of the kitchens, and now you have a 2 bedroom 2 bath condo with dual exits for an emergency.

            If you can't move between units without going through a bedroom, make that a den or something and put a wall up in one of the 2 living rooms for the 2nd bedroom.

            It might be a wonky unit, but it'd still be better than a shoebox

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            • nightowl@lemmy.caN nightowl@lemmy.ca

              Butler said there’s been “severe overbuilding” in the Toronto condo market for a number of years, specifically when it comes to smaller units.

              “The tiniest of tiny condos,” Butler said. “It’s weird that in a country like Canada where there’s been a consistent housing crisis for the last 10 years that if you build a very bad product, people won’t take it, it’s as simple as that.”

              Butler said many of the unsold condos on the market today are ones designed for investors or real estate speculators and are not practical for most families.

              “They are roughly the size of large hotel room, only meant to be rented out, and there’s been simply a massive overbuilding of non-family units,” he said, noting that many of the condos for sale in Toronto currently are 500-square-feet or less.

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              Toronto’s unsold condo rate has reached ‘an incredible level’: expert

              In Canada’s largest housing market, the number of unsold condominiums keeps rising.

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              acargitz
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              You say unsold condo, I say future student housing.

              Jokes aside, this is why "build baby build" on its own is not going to solve the housing crisis.

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              • A arankays@lemmy.ca

                The size is not the problem. It's small and expensive. It would be fine if these units were cheap and small.

                500-600 square feet is plenty for one person if the layout is good.

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                ahrotahntee@lemmy.ca
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                The floor plans are also straight up bizarre. I was in the market recently and I saw two en-suite bathrooms in a 2-bed 3-bath. Kitchen/living/dining combos that could barely serve any of those purposes. Dens that were 4sqft corners in a kitchen, or slight recess in a wall. Interior glass walls to compensate for no window in a bedroom.

                Then there were just absolutely strange finishing design choices, like a wall mounted intercom in the entrance you had to kneel to read the screen or reach the keypad. I'm not that tall. Some of the UGLIEST post-modern tile work I've ever seen, bar fridges masquerading as kitchen fridges, shallow tubs, low shower heads (again, I'm 5'9 this is not usually an issue.)

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                • A ahrotahntee@lemmy.ca

                  The floor plans are also straight up bizarre. I was in the market recently and I saw two en-suite bathrooms in a 2-bed 3-bath. Kitchen/living/dining combos that could barely serve any of those purposes. Dens that were 4sqft corners in a kitchen, or slight recess in a wall. Interior glass walls to compensate for no window in a bedroom.

                  Then there were just absolutely strange finishing design choices, like a wall mounted intercom in the entrance you had to kneel to read the screen or reach the keypad. I'm not that tall. Some of the UGLIEST post-modern tile work I've ever seen, bar fridges masquerading as kitchen fridges, shallow tubs, low shower heads (again, I'm 5'9 this is not usually an issue.)

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                  spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works
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                  Looking in BC and many of the places are built like bowling alleys with windows only at one end. What were these builders thinking?

                  To make matters worse, many (scummy) realtors are now including patio and decks space in the square footage. No, a 800 sq ft place with a 700 sq ft patio is not 1500 sq ft of living space.

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                  • acargitzT acargitz

                    You say unsold condo, I say future student housing.

                    Jokes aside, this is why "build baby build" on its own is not going to solve the housing crisis.

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                    NoneOfUrBusiness
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                    I mean I'd say that "build baby build" implies building houses people can actually live in.

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                      I mean I'd say that "build baby build" implies building houses people can actually live in.

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                      acargitz
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                      You say that because you're a reasonable person and not a profit maximizing sociopath, sorry, I meant capitalist. So long as our system idiotically conflates a means to satisfy people's basic needs for shelter with an investment vehicle for which line must go up, the implication that we are talking about "houses people can actually live in", is not a given.

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