The one state solution is the best solution. The hell are you talking about. A two state solution would mean 2 millions Palestinians will be kicked out of Israel and 700k settlers will be removed from the west bank. A one state solution will give equal rights to both Israelis and Palestinians what genocidal about it?

Give back Anatolia to Brittany!

I absolutely agree, Israel is very much doing incredibly unjust, disgusting, and unimaginable things right now but that doesn’t change the situation on the other side or what they have done.

Why hasn’t Hama’s surrendered and returned the remaining hostages and bodies if peace is their goal?

That is not at all what a two state solution should look like.

Hamas hasn’t surrendered and didn’t return the hostages because Israel will continue the genocide and occupation, Satanyaho admitted it . Hamas say they will drop arms when Gaza and west bank and east Jerusalem are no longer occupied.

How about liberating Palestinians then bring both sides war criminals to justice?

Israel murdered 57k (2.7%) Palestinians in a population of 2.1m and decimated their homes with missiles all over the country.

Tell me how it would look like

You do understand that Palestinians are being oppressed by Hamas right? They have moved the goal post so many times themself it is clear they also don’t want peace. Especially considering their goal is to ethnically cleanse Israel.

Which is my damn point. Both sides need to stop because innocent civilians are dying daily, and the rest of the world needs to stop fucking around and disarm both parties to intervene for real.

Sounds like a good reason to surrender.

Nothing but giving back all post 67 land to Palestinians , giving the right to return to Palestinians who was ethnically cleansing and want to go back to Israel while accepting their laws and also having an army to defend the state for any other potential aggression

I would also include right to return for Israelis who wish to return to their home lands they were ethnically cleansed from under the condition they abide by the laws there as well.

But you are just here to argue, so again, you don’t see the middle ground.

While Hamas is oppressing the Palestinians who oppose it’s rule it is not the one who killed at least 50k of them. They the one who is currently attacking the occupation force.

Hamas can’t destroy Israel even if they want to and with a Palestinians state with it’s own army it could exterminate Hamas if it refuse to drop arms.

You won’t stop the oppressed retaliating with the most atrocious actions if the occupation don’t end first. This is basic logic. Would you have said both slaves and slaves owners need to stop violence in the same time after Nate Turner revolt where he killed some kids or you would simply has say slavery should be abolish first?

If you mean jews returning to Arab countries they where kicked out in response of Zionists doing the Nekba then yes i would support that

I still won’t bother responding to your genocidal rhetoric

Get lost hasbara. Israel has no legal right to exist.

Will them surrendering will end occupation?

What a profoundly stupid thing to say.

Kindly, a Greek who isn’t making ridiculous claims on Marseille, Taranto, Constantinople, Caesarea, Cyrene, Antioch and Alexandria on the motherfucking Indus.

The last 30 years of Israeli state policy after the Oslo accords has resulted in facts on the ground (Israeli phrasing, not mine) to the tune of 700k Israeli settlers in the West Bank.

As the various calls for two states invariably ignore the Israeli facts on the ground, and do not propose any realistic vision for undoing them, at this stage they are merely promoting the creation of a Bantustan within the existing apartheid framework.

In other words, the israeli facts on the ground have killed off the possibility of a two state solution, where Palestine would be an actual state. This means there are only two options:

A) a continuation of the apartheid regime of the present, potentially with a Palestinian collaborationist Banstustan, and with various degrees of Israeli perpetrated genocide and ethnic cleansing thrown in during the inevitable flare-ups of violence.

B) a plurinational post-apartheid democratic state with equal rights for all nationalities and religions from the Jordan to the Mediterranean.

I guess the third option is for Israel to self-ethnically cleanse the settlers from the West Bank, but that sounds even more outlandish than the supposedly idealistic option B.

There used to be an phrase that Israel can be “large, Jewish, democratic, but can only pick 2”. Over the last 30 years since Oslo, successive Israeli governments, more or less dominated by the Israeli Right, and basically by Netanyahu, has forced the choice of “Large”. So now the Israelis have to pick between Zionism and Democracy.

And you watched the news for the past year and concluded that Palestinians are the problem?

I mean, of course they are. They murder their own children, they play sounds of crying babies so that other Palestinians come out to find it so they can snipe those idiots, they murder ambulance drivers and the little child that was a witness to that massacre, I mean Palestinians are evil, man!

Oh wait, that was all the IDF.

Yeah, Hamas is an issue and you’d have a point to mention that (because I can already see you furuously scribbling that) of it weren’t for the fact that Hamas is (in good part) funded by Israel just to give the Israeli army an excuse to murder even more Palestinians.

Nazis were the evil monsters of the 1940s. The Israeli government and army are the evil monsters of, well, the past 50 or so years? I remember the news reports fucking 40 years ago where the IDF would snipe murder young Palestinian kids because they throw rocks at them… All of these fucks should be swinging from the highest crane we can find

Not anymore.

There can be no peace as long as the Zionist genocidal terror state of Israel continues to exist; Destroy it as Rhodesia was destroyed and let the people form a new fairer country.

So he wants them to switch religions and integrate into Israel?

In what way occupying West Bank and preventing people from getting basic needs while trying hard to deport them from their land do you see it as a fight for their right to exists?