Sounds like a good reason to surrender.

What a profoundly stupid thing to say.

Kindly, a Greek who isn’t making ridiculous claims on Marseille, Taranto, Constantinople, Caesarea, Cyrene, Antioch and Alexandria on the motherfucking Indus.

And why aren’t you making those claims? You some kinda charity?

You are American, I presume?

The last 30 years of Israeli state policy after the Oslo accords has resulted in facts on the ground (Israeli phrasing, not mine) to the tune of 700k Israeli settlers in the West Bank.

As the various calls for two states invariably ignore the Israeli facts on the ground, and do not propose any realistic vision for undoing them, at this stage they are merely promoting the creation of a Bantustan within the existing apartheid framework.

In other words, the israeli facts on the ground have killed off the possibility of a two state solution, where Palestine would be an actual state. This means there are only two options:

A) a continuation of the apartheid regime of the present, potentially with a Palestinian collaborationist Banstustan, and with various degrees of Israeli perpetrated genocide and ethnic cleansing thrown in during the inevitable flare-ups of violence.

B) a plurinational post-apartheid democratic state with equal rights for all nationalities and religions from the Jordan to the Mediterranean.

I guess the third option is for Israel to self-ethnically cleanse the settlers from the West Bank, but that sounds even more outlandish than the supposedly idealistic option B.

There used to be an phrase that Israel can be “large, Jewish, democratic, but can only pick 2”. Over the last 30 years since Oslo, successive Israeli governments, more or less dominated by the Israeli Right, and basically by Netanyahu, has forced the choice of “Large”. So now the Israelis have to pick between Zionism and Democracy.

There are people responsible on both sides. I will not argue with you about that fact.

It kinda does. They have an older claim than the Muslims.

Yes, and you?

Until the majority of Palestinians accept that Israel has a right to exist alongside a Palestinian state, there won’t be lasting peace between the two. An incredibly poor choice of words, but the point is clear to those willing to listen.

And who has an older claim to the land your house is on?

Honest question, what gives any country a right to exist?

Except there are 5 sides. The US government, the Israeli government, the Israeli people, Hamas, and the Palestinian people.

The Israeli government, the US government, and Hamas can all go fuck themselves. It’s the Palestinian people who are needlessly suffering.

What is wrong with you…

The entire point of Zionism is you don’t exist alongside Palestine.

In what way occupying West Bank and preventing people from getting basic needs while trying hard to deport them from their land do you see it as a fight for their right to exists?

International Law.

And you watched the news for the past year and concluded that Palestinians are the problem?

I mean, of course they are. They murder their own children, they play sounds of crying babies so that other Palestinians come out to find it so they can snipe those idiots, they murder ambulance drivers and the little child that was a witness to that massacre, I mean Palestinians are evil, man!

Oh wait, that was all the IDF.

Yeah, Hamas is an issue and you’d have a point to mention that (because I can already see you furuously scribbling that) of it weren’t for the fact that Hamas is (in good part) funded by Israel just to give the Israeli army an excuse to murder even more Palestinians.

Nazis were the evil monsters of the 1940s. The Israeli government and army are the evil monsters of, well, the past 50 or so years? I remember the news reports fucking 40 years ago where the IDF would snipe murder young Palestinian kids because they throw rocks at them… All of these fucks should be swinging from the highest crane we can find

That’s circular logic, though. International Law is just a set of agreements between sovereign powers. It doesn’t spring from seafoam, fully formed. What gives any nation a “right” to exist?