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Bill-C16, the Protecting Victims Act, appears, to me, to potentially, at least in part, criminalize furry porn

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  • johnnycanuck@lemmy.caJ johnnycanuck@lemmy.ca

    It specifically says bestiality involves an “animal” not “a depiction of an animal”. So unless you’re saying furries are actually doing things with real animals, I think you’re putting too much weight on the “visual representation” part of the wording.

    The Department of Justice’s rationale is that it is “online sextortion” [2], and that it is known to be used to manipulate children for sexual purposes

    None of what you quoted from the bill says that. Where are you getting this from?

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    Kalcifer
    wrote last edited by kalcifer@sh.itjust.works
    #5

    The Department of Justice’s rationale is that it is “online sextortion” [2], and that it is known to be used to manipulate children for sexual purposes

    None of what you quoted from the bill says that. Where are you getting this from?

    The relevant citations are in the very text that you quoted — you can follow them in my references section at the bottom of the post 🙂

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    • johnnycanuck@lemmy.caJ johnnycanuck@lemmy.ca

      It specifically says bestiality involves an “animal” not “a depiction of an animal”. So unless you’re saying furries are actually doing things with real animals, I think you’re putting too much weight on the “visual representation” part of the wording.

      The Department of Justice’s rationale is that it is “online sextortion” [2], and that it is known to be used to manipulate children for sexual purposes

      None of what you quoted from the bill says that. Where are you getting this from?

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      Kalcifer
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      #6

      It specifically says bestiality involves an “animal” not “a depiction of an animal”. […]

      I think that’s a good point.

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      • KalciferK Kalcifer

        From the bill ^[1]^:

        […] It amends the Criminal Code to, among other things, […] (g) criminalize the distribution of visual representations of bestiality; […] ^[1.3]^

        (3.‍1) Every person commits an offence who knowingly publishes, distributes, transmits, sells, makes available or advertises any visual representation that is or is likely to be mistaken for a photographic, film, video or other visual recording of a person committing bestiality. ^[1.1]^

        (3.‍4) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (3.‍1)

        (a) is guilty of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years; or

        (b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction. ^[1.2]^

        For context, from the Criminal Code:

        (7) In this section, bestiality means any contact, for a sexual purpose, with an animal. ^[3]^

        The Department of Justice’s rationale is that it is “online sextortion” ^[2]^, and that it is known to be used to manipulate children for sexual purposes ^[2]^.

        ::: spoiler References

        1. Type: Document. Title: “Protecting Victims Act”. Publisher: “Parliament of Canada”. Published: 2025-12-09. Accessed: 2025-12-09T22:48Z. URI: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-16/first-reading.
          1. Type: Text. Location: §“Criminal Code”>§“Amendments to the Act”>§“Representation of bestiality”
          2. Type: Text. Location: §“Criminal Code”>§“Amendments to the Act”>§“Punishment — representation of bestiality”
          3. Type: Text. Location: §“Summary”>§“(g)”
        2. Type: Article. Title: “Canada overhauls Criminal Code to protect victims and keep kids safe from predators”. Publisher: “Department of Justice Canada”. Published: 2025-12-09. Accessed: 2025-12-09T22:46Z. URI: https://www.canada.ca/en/department-justice/news/2025/12/canada-overhauls-criminal-code-to-protect-victims-and-keep-kids-safe-from-predators.html.
          • Type: Text. Location: §“Keep our kids safe from predators”>§“Crack down on online sextortion”.

            […] This legislation proposes stronger measures to address online sexploitation and child luring, including by criminalizing threatening to distribute child sexual abuse and exploitation material and distributing bestiality depictions, which are known to be used to manipulate children for sexual purposes. […]

        3. Type: Document (PDF). Title: “Criminal Code”. Publisher: “Government of Canada”. Published: 2025-11-20. Accessed: 2025-12-09T22:44Z. URI: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/C-46.pdf.
          • Type: Text. Location: §160>§7 (“Definition of bestiality”) :::
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        voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
        wrote last edited by voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
        #7

        I don’t see how any reading of this would criminalize furry porn.

        1. It says “likely to be mistaken for a photographic” media. This immediately rules out all forms of hand drawn and CG furry art from being covered by this law. It has to be a photo, video (or some AI generated facsimile).

        2. The media has to involve - or realistically appear to involve (to the point that a reasonable person would be fooled) - sexual contact with an animal. Not “cartoon rabbit.” Not “person in a fursuit.” Animal.

        Those two points alone rule out any kind of furry porn from being affected by this.

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        • KalciferK Kalcifer

          From the bill ^[1]^:

          […] It amends the Criminal Code to, among other things, […] (g) criminalize the distribution of visual representations of bestiality; […] ^[1.3]^

          (3.‍1) Every person commits an offence who knowingly publishes, distributes, transmits, sells, makes available or advertises any visual representation that is or is likely to be mistaken for a photographic, film, video or other visual recording of a person committing bestiality. ^[1.1]^

          (3.‍4) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (3.‍1)

          (a) is guilty of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years; or

          (b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction. ^[1.2]^

          For context, from the Criminal Code:

          (7) In this section, bestiality means any contact, for a sexual purpose, with an animal. ^[3]^

          The Department of Justice’s rationale is that it is “online sextortion” ^[2]^, and that it is known to be used to manipulate children for sexual purposes ^[2]^.

          ::: spoiler References

          1. Type: Document. Title: “Protecting Victims Act”. Publisher: “Parliament of Canada”. Published: 2025-12-09. Accessed: 2025-12-09T22:48Z. URI: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-16/first-reading.
            1. Type: Text. Location: §“Criminal Code”>§“Amendments to the Act”>§“Representation of bestiality”
            2. Type: Text. Location: §“Criminal Code”>§“Amendments to the Act”>§“Punishment — representation of bestiality”
            3. Type: Text. Location: §“Summary”>§“(g)”
          2. Type: Article. Title: “Canada overhauls Criminal Code to protect victims and keep kids safe from predators”. Publisher: “Department of Justice Canada”. Published: 2025-12-09. Accessed: 2025-12-09T22:46Z. URI: https://www.canada.ca/en/department-justice/news/2025/12/canada-overhauls-criminal-code-to-protect-victims-and-keep-kids-safe-from-predators.html.
            • Type: Text. Location: §“Keep our kids safe from predators”>§“Crack down on online sextortion”.

              […] This legislation proposes stronger measures to address online sexploitation and child luring, including by criminalizing threatening to distribute child sexual abuse and exploitation material and distributing bestiality depictions, which are known to be used to manipulate children for sexual purposes. […]

          3. Type: Document (PDF). Title: “Criminal Code”. Publisher: “Government of Canada”. Published: 2025-11-20. Accessed: 2025-12-09T22:44Z. URI: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/C-46.pdf.
            • Type: Text. Location: §160>§7 (“Definition of bestiality”) :::
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          mpatch@lemmy.world
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          Two animals fucking is not beastiality. A person fucking an animal is. You fucking fury fucks are fine to fuck.

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          • KalciferK Kalcifer

            From the bill ^[1]^:

            […] It amends the Criminal Code to, among other things, […] (g) criminalize the distribution of visual representations of bestiality; […] ^[1.3]^

            (3.‍1) Every person commits an offence who knowingly publishes, distributes, transmits, sells, makes available or advertises any visual representation that is or is likely to be mistaken for a photographic, film, video or other visual recording of a person committing bestiality. ^[1.1]^

            (3.‍4) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (3.‍1)

            (a) is guilty of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years; or

            (b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction. ^[1.2]^

            For context, from the Criminal Code:

            (7) In this section, bestiality means any contact, for a sexual purpose, with an animal. ^[3]^

            The Department of Justice’s rationale is that it is “online sextortion” ^[2]^, and that it is known to be used to manipulate children for sexual purposes ^[2]^.

            ::: spoiler References

            1. Type: Document. Title: “Protecting Victims Act”. Publisher: “Parliament of Canada”. Published: 2025-12-09. Accessed: 2025-12-09T22:48Z. URI: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-16/first-reading.
              1. Type: Text. Location: §“Criminal Code”>§“Amendments to the Act”>§“Representation of bestiality”
              2. Type: Text. Location: §“Criminal Code”>§“Amendments to the Act”>§“Punishment — representation of bestiality”
              3. Type: Text. Location: §“Summary”>§“(g)”
            2. Type: Article. Title: “Canada overhauls Criminal Code to protect victims and keep kids safe from predators”. Publisher: “Department of Justice Canada”. Published: 2025-12-09. Accessed: 2025-12-09T22:46Z. URI: https://www.canada.ca/en/department-justice/news/2025/12/canada-overhauls-criminal-code-to-protect-victims-and-keep-kids-safe-from-predators.html.
              • Type: Text. Location: §“Keep our kids safe from predators”>§“Crack down on online sextortion”.

                […] This legislation proposes stronger measures to address online sexploitation and child luring, including by criminalizing threatening to distribute child sexual abuse and exploitation material and distributing bestiality depictions, which are known to be used to manipulate children for sexual purposes. […]

            3. Type: Document (PDF). Title: “Criminal Code”. Publisher: “Government of Canada”. Published: 2025-11-20. Accessed: 2025-12-09T22:44Z. URI: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/C-46.pdf.
              • Type: Text. Location: §160>§7 (“Definition of bestiality”) :::
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            armchairace1944@lemmy.ca
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            Banning furry porn would destroy a massive section of internet artwork. Furry artists, for all their flaws, can be some of the most creative people out there.

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            • KalciferK Kalcifer

              The Department of Justice’s rationale is that it is “online sextortion” [2], and that it is known to be used to manipulate children for sexual purposes

              None of what you quoted from the bill says that. Where are you getting this from?

              The relevant citations are in the very text that you quoted — you can follow them in my references section at the bottom of the post 🙂

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              johnnycanuck@lemmy.ca
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              #10

              Ah got it. I didn’t see the references section as it was collapsed.

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              • M mpatch@lemmy.world

                Two animals fucking is not beastiality. A person fucking an animal is. You fucking fury fucks are fine to fuck.

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                jaselle@lemmy.ca
                wrote last edited by jaselle@lemmy.ca
                #11

                In this section, bestiality means any contact, for a sexual purpose, with an animal.

                You are wrong.

                Edit:

                of a person committing bestiality.

                You are right.

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                • V voroxpete@sh.itjust.works

                  I don’t see how any reading of this would criminalize furry porn.

                  1. It says “likely to be mistaken for a photographic” media. This immediately rules out all forms of hand drawn and CG furry art from being covered by this law. It has to be a photo, video (or some AI generated facsimile).

                  2. The media has to involve - or realistically appear to involve (to the point that a reasonable person would be fooled) - sexual contact with an animal. Not “cartoon rabbit.” Not “person in a fursuit.” Animal.

                  Those two points alone rule out any kind of furry porn from being affected by this.

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                  rozodru
                  wrote last edited by
                  #12

                  yeah it wouldn’t. Plus Beastiality is sex between a human and an animal. Furry porn is like Disney mascots yiffing each other. and it’s all cartoonish.

                  I highly doubt someone at the RCMP is going to sit down and watch a dude dressed up like a purple doberman pounding town on a dude dressed up like a dragon and thinking “That dog is fucking a lizard!” then again maybe they do watch it, who am I to kink shame.

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                  • J jaselle@lemmy.ca

                    In this section, bestiality means any contact, for a sexual purpose, with an animal.

                    You are wrong.

                    Edit:

                    of a person committing bestiality.

                    You are right.

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                    mpatch@lemmy.world
                    wrote last edited by
                    #13

                    How so ? So they gona ban all the nature shows too? Damn i really enjoyed watching salmon dump loads of jizz all over a bunch of orange beads. Like read and read, and that line until you posted until you can comprehend.

                    What? They gonna start locking up dog breaders and cattle ranchers? Fuck might as well lock up all the people employed at the toronto zoo.

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                    • rozodruR rozodru

                      yeah it wouldn’t. Plus Beastiality is sex between a human and an animal. Furry porn is like Disney mascots yiffing each other. and it’s all cartoonish.

                      I highly doubt someone at the RCMP is going to sit down and watch a dude dressed up like a purple doberman pounding town on a dude dressed up like a dragon and thinking “That dog is fucking a lizard!” then again maybe they do watch it, who am I to kink shame.

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                      voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
                      wrote last edited by
                      #14

                      Besides, who actually fucks in a full fursuit? That shit is crazy expensive.

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                      • A armchairace1944@lemmy.ca

                        Banning furry porn would destroy a massive section of internet artwork. Furry artists, for all their flaws, can be some of the most creative people out there.

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                        entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                        From what i understand the furries basically prop up all modern tech. There’s a reason that community gets left alone. 🤷‍♀️

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                        • johnnycanuck@lemmy.caJ johnnycanuck@lemmy.ca

                          Ah got it. I didn’t see the references section as it was collapsed.

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                          Kalcifer
                          wrote last edited by kalcifer@sh.itjust.works
                          #16

                          For clarity, the relevant reference is this one:

                          • Type: Article. Title: “Canada overhauls Criminal Code to protect victims and keep kids safe from predators”. Publisher: “Department of Justice Canada”. Published: 2025-12-09. Accessed: 2025-12-09T22:46Z. URI: https://www.canada.ca/en/department-justice/news/2025/12/canada-overhauls-criminal-code-to-protect-victims-and-keep-kids-safe-from-predators.html.
                            • Type: Text. Location: §“Keep our kids safe from predators”>§“Crack down on online sextortion”.

                              […] This legislation proposes stronger measures to address online sexploitation and child luring, including by criminalizing threatening to distribute child sexual abuse and exploitation material and distributing bestiality depictions, which are known to be used to manipulate children for sexual purposes. […]

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                          • A armchairace1944@lemmy.ca

                            Banning furry porn would destroy a massive section of internet artwork. Furry artists, for all their flaws, can be some of the most creative people out there.

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                            Kalcifer
                            wrote last edited by
                            #17

                            […] Furry artists, for all their flaws, […]

                            What flaws are you referring to?

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                            • V voroxpete@sh.itjust.works

                              I don’t see how any reading of this would criminalize furry porn.

                              1. It says “likely to be mistaken for a photographic” media. This immediately rules out all forms of hand drawn and CG furry art from being covered by this law. It has to be a photo, video (or some AI generated facsimile).

                              2. The media has to involve - or realistically appear to involve (to the point that a reasonable person would be fooled) - sexual contact with an animal. Not “cartoon rabbit.” Not “person in a fursuit.” Animal.

                              Those two points alone rule out any kind of furry porn from being affected by this.

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                              Kalcifer
                              wrote last edited by
                              #18

                              […] It says “likely to be mistaken for a photographic” media. This immediately rules out all forms of hand drawn and CG furry art from being covered by this law. It has to be a photo, video (or some AI generated facsimile). […]

                              Are you interpreting “photographic” to mean “photorealistic”?

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                              • V voroxpete@sh.itjust.works

                                I don’t see how any reading of this would criminalize furry porn.

                                1. It says “likely to be mistaken for a photographic” media. This immediately rules out all forms of hand drawn and CG furry art from being covered by this law. It has to be a photo, video (or some AI generated facsimile).

                                2. The media has to involve - or realistically appear to involve (to the point that a reasonable person would be fooled) - sexual contact with an animal. Not “cartoon rabbit.” Not “person in a fursuit.” Animal.

                                Those two points alone rule out any kind of furry porn from being affected by this.

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                                Kalcifer
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                                […] The media has to involve - or realistically appear to involve (to the point that a reasonable person would be fooled) - sexual contact with an animal. Not “cartoon rabbit.” Not “person in a fursuit.” Animal. […]

                                Couldn’t there conceivably be some ambiguous grey area with this interpretation? How close to looking like an animal can an anthropomorphic animal get before it is captured?

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                                • M mpatch@lemmy.world

                                  Two animals fucking is not beastiality. A person fucking an animal is. You fucking fury fucks are fine to fuck.

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                                  Kalcifer
                                  wrote last edited by kalcifer@sh.itjust.works
                                  #20

                                  Two animals fucking is not beastiality. A person fucking an animal is.

                                  For clarity, that is why my title specifies “in part” 🙂.

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                                  • S sgforce@lemmy.ca

                                    visual recording of a person

                                    It would say “any person” but the context is clear it’s talking about the victim. We do “spirit of the law” here anyway and not “letter of the law” so if someone were convicted under this law for furry stuff it would go straight to appeal.

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                                    Kalcifer
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                                    […] We do “spirit of the law” here anyway and not “letter of the law” so if someone were convicted under this law for furry stuff it would go straight to appeal.

                                    In this case, out of curiosity, how would “the spirit of the law” be determined?

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                                    • KalciferK Kalcifer

                                      […] It says “likely to be mistaken for a photographic” media. This immediately rules out all forms of hand drawn and CG furry art from being covered by this law. It has to be a photo, video (or some AI generated facsimile). […]

                                      Are you interpreting “photographic” to mean “photorealistic”?

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                                      voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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                                      No, I’m interpreting “photographic” to mean “photographic.” There’s no interpretation needed, the word has a specific meaning that is entirely valid in this context. The question is, why are you trying to interpret “photographic” as meaning anything else?

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                                      • KalciferK Kalcifer

                                        […] The media has to involve - or realistically appear to involve (to the point that a reasonable person would be fooled) - sexual contact with an animal. Not “cartoon rabbit.” Not “person in a fursuit.” Animal. […]

                                        Couldn’t there conceivably be some ambiguous grey area with this interpretation? How close to looking like an animal can an anthropomorphic animal get before it is captured?

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                                        voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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                                        #23

                                        The only ambiguity is that stated directly in the text; “is or is likely to be mistaken for”.

                                        And again, the thing it has to be likely to be mistaken for is a film or photograph of a person performing a sex act on an animal. Not “something like an animal.” Not “something with animal features.” Animal. One word. Period.

                                        That means if you showed the image to an average person on the street they would be likely to believe it was an actual photo or video of someone doing actual sex acts to an actual flesh and blood animal. All of those conditions are clearly spelled out in the text of the law. It’s really not vague at all.

                                        The only reason they even put the “is likely to be mistaken” for part is because we’re now at the point where AI can generate photographic images that aren’t actually real photographs.

                                        And if someone is out there painting photo realistic art so good that no one can tell its not real, and they’re using that to recreate believable depictions of bestiality, well, yeah, the law is meant to criminalize that too. If it would fool the average person into thinking its a real animal, yes, that counts. But the average person isn’t going to look at Judy Hopps and think “Oh my God, that’s a real actual bunny rabbit”, so I’m really not clear on what it is you’re worried about here.

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                                        • KalciferK Kalcifer

                                          […] Furry artists, for all their flaws, […]

                                          What flaws are you referring to?

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                                          armchairace1944@lemmy.ca
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                                          You naive summer child…

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