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‘It’s too late’: David Suzuki says the fight against climate change is lost - iPolitics

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  • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

    I’m sick of this WE, im not a billionaire pumping more Co2 per day with my yacht fleet than a town of people do in their life. I’m sick of being blamed for this shit, when all my conservation is undone in a minute by a corporation. I refuse to take equal blame any longer

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    breadoven@lemmy.world
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    Good point. I try my best, but even if like 90 % of the population tried harder, it would barely offset the billionaire companies killing our planet.

    They’re the problem, always has been that way.

    I think it’s time to stop them.

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    • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

      I’m sick of this WE, im not a billionaire pumping more Co2 per day with my yacht fleet than a town of people do in their life. I’m sick of being blamed for this shit, when all my conservation is undone in a minute by a corporation. I refuse to take equal blame any longer

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      jargonwagon@lemmy.world
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      #95

      Well, one way in which we can help fight against climate change is by not eating meat or dairy products.

      For anyone curious about the subject, there’s some good science backing that up, though the links I’m providing are lazy DDG searches, so if anyone wants to do it, they can probably find better sources out there with more information.

      The average cow can produce somewhere between 100-500 litres of methane a day, which is 23 times more powerful as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.

      Alfalfa and other grass hays is a crop that used a crazy amount of water, and it’s grown primarily to feed cows.

      Going vegan, or at least mostly vegan, is the way to go. Can start with going vegetarian and at least swapping out meat sources. Alternative vegan protein sources

      With that being said, I do not practice what I preach. I should, though.

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      • J jargonwagon@lemmy.world

        Well, one way in which we can help fight against climate change is by not eating meat or dairy products.

        For anyone curious about the subject, there’s some good science backing that up, though the links I’m providing are lazy DDG searches, so if anyone wants to do it, they can probably find better sources out there with more information.

        The average cow can produce somewhere between 100-500 litres of methane a day, which is 23 times more powerful as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.

        Alfalfa and other grass hays is a crop that used a crazy amount of water, and it’s grown primarily to feed cows.

        Going vegan, or at least mostly vegan, is the way to go. Can start with going vegetarian and at least swapping out meat sources. Alternative vegan protein sources

        With that being said, I do not practice what I preach. I should, though.

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        but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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        Again though, I do all these things and it doesn’t matter cause my entire life’s output of CO2 is being put out by one guy in an hour. I’m turning off lights and corporate buildings are running all the lights and AC 24/7

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        • J jargonwagon@lemmy.world

          Well, one way in which we can help fight against climate change is by not eating meat or dairy products.

          For anyone curious about the subject, there’s some good science backing that up, though the links I’m providing are lazy DDG searches, so if anyone wants to do it, they can probably find better sources out there with more information.

          The average cow can produce somewhere between 100-500 litres of methane a day, which is 23 times more powerful as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.

          Alfalfa and other grass hays is a crop that used a crazy amount of water, and it’s grown primarily to feed cows.

          Going vegan, or at least mostly vegan, is the way to go. Can start with going vegetarian and at least swapping out meat sources. Alternative vegan protein sources

          With that being said, I do not practice what I preach. I should, though.

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          humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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          The actual problem is democratic oligarchism/zionism/neocon warmongering/US colonialism. Protecting establishment is easily supported when higher priorities than human sustainability can be manufactured. The more miserable you are made, the less you care about “higher level Maslow hierarchy needs” at political level.

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          • B breadoven@lemmy.world

            Good point. I try my best, but even if like 90 % of the population tried harder, it would barely offset the billionaire companies killing our planet.

            They’re the problem, always has been that way.

            I think it’s time to stop them.

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            but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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            #98

            The best we can do for the planet is toss a few billionaires into a volcano as a sacrifice to earth

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            • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

              The best we can do for the planet is toss a few billionaires into a volcano as a sacrifice to earth

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              zbyte64@awful.systems
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              #99

              Now that’s some carbon sequestration

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              • V voroxpete@sh.itjust.works

                Even if we do pass some kind of “tipping point” (and you need to understand that every tipping point is just an arbitrary line that climate scientists draw to try to draw people’s attention to the problem), we can still mitigate the damage. There is never a point where fighting climate change becomes worthless. The less we do now, the greater the damage will be in the future. That’s all there is to it. Tipping points are just a way of illustrating that.

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                humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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                every tipping point is just an arbitrary line that climate scientists draw to try to draw people’s attention to the problem

                The +1.5C threshold is a somewhat arbitrary line designed around tipping points. The tipping points themselves are not imaginary/arbitrary. Forest fire spread increase. Methane defrosting. Polar melting path certainty. All of these increase GHGs and warming. Hurricane intensity+drought+intense rainfall events destroying property values is somewhat of an economic tipping point starting to affect some right now.

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                • J jafffacakelemmy@mander.xyz

                  In your car crash analogy, we are now past the point where hitting the brakes will help. The car will be irrepairably destroyed and all passengers will be killed.

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                  humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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                  #101

                  I think we’re past the point of the car hitting the wall even if we brake, and the damage ruining your day. We’re not past the point that braking will save lives or even make the car unrepairable.

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                  • A asg101@lemmy.ca

                    How to say Marx was right without saying “Marx was right”.

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                    sektor@lemmy.world
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                    Futurama, Crimes of the hot episode was a prophecy

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                    • A asg101@lemmy.ca

                      How to say Marx was right without saying “Marx was right”.

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                      electric_nan@lemmy.ml
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                      All that’s left is to make the rich suffer.

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                      • M mad_lentil@lemmy.ca

                        There’s also the biosphere to think about. Even in we go, it doesn’t mean that all life has to go with us

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                        snowies@lemmy.zip
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                        #104

                        We kill 80 billion land animals per year for factory farming and we’ve caused almost 2 species of animal per year, every year, to go completely extinct over the last 500 years.

                        We are going to destroy almost all life on this planet.

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                        • M mad_lentil@lemmy.ca

                          There’s also the biosphere to think about. Even in we go, it doesn’t mean that all life has to go with us

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                          saigot@lemmy.ca
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                          Even if we intentionally released as much co2 as we could all life on earth is not at risk. Remember that there’s a fair amount of life that is virtually unchanged since the paleozoic period when all that co2 was in the air. Beyond that there’s stuff that hangs out in volcanic vents, rapidly evolving life that can adapt even to rapid change, bacteria, molds, mosses and algae. And who knows maybe there’s even a small adaptable mammal or 2 that gets out and evolves enough for a second attempt at sapience.

                          Don’t get me wrong the climate disaster is truly a unique and devastating extinction event, but humans are not so powerful as to leave the earth a completely lifeless rock.

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                          • M mtk@lemmy.world

                            Human civilization is bound to die at some point. If we give up now it will just happen faster and with more suffering. If we fight we will still improve things, maybe not everything will be okay, but when has it ever been?

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                            hasturinyellow@lemmy.world
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                            I suppose it wasn’t clear in my comment but I’m not advocating for doing nothing. Just to have realistic expectations about what is possible. If you sell everyone on reversing everything, and then fail, it will breed discontent further than being honest. That’s all.

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                            • A asg101@lemmy.ca

                              How to say Marx was right without saying “Marx was right”.

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                              I Cast Fist
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                              Thanks to big corporations effectively owning governments and big politicians the world over, things aren’t bound to get better anytime soon, because “the economy”. Fuck that shit

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                              • S saigot@lemmy.ca

                                Even if we intentionally released as much co2 as we could all life on earth is not at risk. Remember that there’s a fair amount of life that is virtually unchanged since the paleozoic period when all that co2 was in the air. Beyond that there’s stuff that hangs out in volcanic vents, rapidly evolving life that can adapt even to rapid change, bacteria, molds, mosses and algae. And who knows maybe there’s even a small adaptable mammal or 2 that gets out and evolves enough for a second attempt at sapience.

                                Don’t get me wrong the climate disaster is truly a unique and devastating extinction event, but humans are not so powerful as to leave the earth a completely lifeless rock.

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                                mad_lentil@lemmy.ca
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                                So this is the meagre hope I cling to now. I guess it’ll have to do.

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                                • J jafffacakelemmy@mander.xyz

                                  In your car crash analogy, we are now past the point where hitting the brakes will help. The car will be irrepairably destroyed and all passengers will be killed.

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                                  anomnom@sh.itjust.works
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                                  We haven’t taken our foot off the gas and legislators are stopping us from even touching the brake pedal.

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                                  • J joonazan@discuss.tchncs.de

                                    I think it helps to look at other problems caused by fossil fuel use. Higher CO2 concentrations make breathing air worse. Ocean acidification kills fish etc.

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                                    jason2357@lemmy.ca
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                                    I think the bigger impact is thinking about changing weather patterns long term leading to new and larger deserts in the centres of continents and regular, massive storms on the coasts. That’s a changing climate beyond “everybody is a few degrees hotter” that is implied by global warming. CO2 isn’t going to effect breathing, but does cause acidification.

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                                    • B breadoven@lemmy.world

                                      Good point. I try my best, but even if like 90 % of the population tried harder, it would barely offset the billionaire companies killing our planet.

                                      They’re the problem, always has been that way.

                                      I think it’s time to stop them.

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                                      jason2357@lemmy.ca
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                                      #111

                                      This simply isn’t correct. While the billionaires yacht fleet and jet setting make them have insane carbon footprints individually, it is their business practices that actually register in terms of contributing significant chunks of the carbon budget for humanity. Bezo’s jets and yachts pale in comparison to Amazons delivery fleet and manufacturing all that junk. It’s counterproductive to focus on their personal emissions, when it’s the interaction of their businesses, government, and consumers that are burning the earth. We have 2 levers on that problem.

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                                      • H humanspiral@lemmy.ca

                                        The actual problem is democratic oligarchism/zionism/neocon warmongering/US colonialism. Protecting establishment is easily supported when higher priorities than human sustainability can be manufactured. The more miserable you are made, the less you care about “higher level Maslow hierarchy needs” at political level.

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                                        jargonwagon@lemmy.world
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                                        #112

                                        The best way to reduce all the excess manufacturing for livestock is by not buying it their products. If it’s all about ROI for them, give them a reason to reduce their manufacturing with your purchasing power.

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                                        • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

                                          The best we can do for the planet is toss a few billionaires into a volcano as a sacrifice to earth

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                                          breadoven@lemmy.world
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                                          I’m down.

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