Yeah, it’s more about the people in the car taking their foot off the gas so they don’t get going fast enough to crash through multiple houses and burn the whole neighborhood down. Still worth doing even if we’re well past the point of hitting the brakes preventing any damage.

That’s how I feel, like it might not be too late to do something but people just don’t care. And if we don’t do this together its pointless.

that’s a loaded and optimistic question. With the way the world is going currently being taken out by climate change and only climate change is awfully optimistic. I think that would be the best case scenario at this point.

Fuck that. It’s never lost, it’s just that we are constantly heading towards worse outcomes.

If we as humanity start taking it seriously tomorrow, it would still be a victory over only starting in a decade.

It’s not lost, it’s just getting worse, and that should make people want to fight.

saying that the fight is lost is just creating more disengagement and hopelessness.

I like the saying “The best time to plant a tree was 30 years ago, the second best is today.” Because it is almost universally true about any long term goal.

Let climate change end humanity, we fucking deserve it

But we’re not starting tomorrow. It’s not that we’re clueless, we know what to do and why, but we don’t.

Has been for ages. It’s now question of how bad, and we are still making it worse.

We have started to reduce how much worse we make it, and a fair bit of progress has been made there in some countries, UK carbon emissions are less than half what they were per capita several decades ago.

When I was young we had a fireplace and would often burn coal in winter. Now I have a heat pump to warm my entire house by extracting thermal energy from the atmosphere.

If I had mansion money I would buy land to live in a self built mud hut.

The problem is humanity is taking most of the other species in the world with it. Just the methane/permafrost feedback loop out of dozens of feedback loops will usher in the level of warming and ensuing extinctions experienced during the Permian/Triassic die off.

The ruling elite are incinerating all of us for profit, and they don’t give a shit.

You are using the broadest possible definition of “lost.”

Lost as in no more human civilization. It doesn’t matter when you start doing stuff, that future is coming. We could maybe slow it at this point, but not much else and even that is up for debate with all the tipping points being reached. They will have a far greater effect on the climate than anything that we do now.

Pakistan and India, Egypt and Ethiopia. Various states in the southwest are looking to pop off when the civil war starts up. Water wars are starting NOW.

We are light years a head of where we were a century ago. And I hope in a few decades it will be true about today.

Human civilization is bound to die at some point. If we give up now it will just happen faster and with more suffering. If we fight we will still improve things, maybe not everything will be okay, but when has it ever been?

There’s also the biosphere to think about. Even in we go, it doesn’t mean that all life has to go with us

Exactly. Fuck the humans, at this point I just want as much as else possible to be saved.

Luigis for billionaires would be a great start.

I mean, that’s the thing. We all know there are solutions. But governments and billionaires at this point have to make the solutions happen, and they have no interest in many places. Hell, they’re actively working on behalf of climate change and environmental destruction in the US just to own the Libs and to the cheers of the rabid troglodyte portion of its populace. You don’t just have to contend with getting the facts to people, you have to contend with being but one voice amid all the antifacts that everyone is bombarded daily on every topic.

I know I’m a doomer, but sans an effective virus that takes out 80% of the population and mostly targets anyone right of center and all of the billionaires, I don’t think we have this one in us.

I’m sick of this WE, im not a billionaire pumping more Co2 per day with my yacht fleet than a town of people do in their life. I’m sick of being blamed for this shit, when all my conservation is undone in a minute by a corporation. I refuse to take equal blame any longer

It’ll just be another chapter in Earth’s history. We’re not the first life form to have caused an extinction event due to radically changing Earth’s atmosphere.

What it would prove to us, however, is that; despite our massive ego, we (humanity) are no better than, or more above the laws of nature than, those first single-celled organisms that radically changed Earth’s atmosphere to one of oxygen. Yet monumentally less significant in our footprint.