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Opinion | Privatizing Canada Post would be a costly mistake

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  • S sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca

    Privatization of liquor in Alberta has worked out amazingly well. Booze is cheaper and there’s a liquor store every 100 meters, some open well past midnight. It’s an alcoholic’s dream.

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    alaik@lemmy.zip
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    TIL Alberta had state run liquor stores. I’ll have to read about those when I get home.

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      ironkrill@lemmy.ca
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      No need for an opinion tag if you’re spitting straight facts

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      • J jamablaya@lemmy.world

        Depending on the market, providing better service is what makes you more money, and a malaise creeps in about management not caring about that anymore when government ran. Besides, all my packages come by Purolater now, a private company owned by Canada Post that doesn’t seem to go on strike. They literally own their own competition and it’s profitable.

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        glide@lemmy.ca
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        So, the capitalist brainrot belief is that Adam Smith’s invisible hand is going to make sure that money only goes to the people who deserve it, because people obviously will buy the best product at the cheapest prices and everyone else deserves to be pushed out of the market unless they do better.

        Except we have consistant evidence that that isn’t true. The raw existence of marketing and advertising completely undermines the core concept of what is supposed to make private business good. “We’ll just make sure we’re the name people know and appeal to their cultural wants” is a complete subversion of how businesses are supposed to function. And then there’s the reality that once businesses have reliabily built themselves into the cultural needs of people, they don’t need to care anymore: see the process of enshitification in the mass of new business concepts - streaming services, 2nd party food deliver apps, etc. - and this becomes obviously true.

        On paper, providing a better service should result in higher income. In reality, there are a million manipulatable factors to undermine this concept, and as we continue to argue that wealth is an inherent virtue, we’ll continue to give perceived moral superiority to the private businesses that will pull the plug on your grandmother’s life support if it will save them a dollar. Fuck that. The more services we can keep our of the hands of greedy CEOs and venture capitalists, the closer we are to a genuinely just world.

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        • shani66@ani.socialS shani66@ani.social

          Had privatization ever worked out? Like, ever?

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          9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works
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          #21

          I was talking to someone about this very same postal issue, and his example was DHL. “Privatization turned them around! They’re now an international company!!!”

          Why the fuck does canada post need to be competing internationally? Just deliver the mail and have a gov’t presence in small towns to provide other services.

          Just spend the money to service canadians… It doesnt have to be profitable nor an international competitor

          Also, DHL sucks…

          Had privatization ever worked out? Like, ever?

          Yes. It works out really nicely for our oligarchs.

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          • T toastmeister@lemmy.ca

            You’re essentially taxing people for a convenience. You could do the same with streaming services, gyms, and all manners of things.

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            njm1314@lemmy.world
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            Why stop there? Clean water is a convenience isn’t it? What about fire departments? That’s a convenience. People could do these things on their own. They should be rugged individualist and always take care of themselves right? Why do we need roads? People should just pave their own roads right?

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            • G glide@lemmy.ca

              So, the capitalist brainrot belief is that Adam Smith’s invisible hand is going to make sure that money only goes to the people who deserve it, because people obviously will buy the best product at the cheapest prices and everyone else deserves to be pushed out of the market unless they do better.

              Except we have consistant evidence that that isn’t true. The raw existence of marketing and advertising completely undermines the core concept of what is supposed to make private business good. “We’ll just make sure we’re the name people know and appeal to their cultural wants” is a complete subversion of how businesses are supposed to function. And then there’s the reality that once businesses have reliabily built themselves into the cultural needs of people, they don’t need to care anymore: see the process of enshitification in the mass of new business concepts - streaming services, 2nd party food deliver apps, etc. - and this becomes obviously true.

              On paper, providing a better service should result in higher income. In reality, there are a million manipulatable factors to undermine this concept, and as we continue to argue that wealth is an inherent virtue, we’ll continue to give perceived moral superiority to the private businesses that will pull the plug on your grandmother’s life support if it will save them a dollar. Fuck that. The more services we can keep our of the hands of greedy CEOs and venture capitalists, the closer we are to a genuinely just world.

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              jamablaya@lemmy.world
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              This is a very long winded way to admit the existence of gullible and foolish people

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              • S saigot@lemmy.ca

                Because it makes the country a better place to live.

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                jamablaya@lemmy.world
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                #24

                Shipping via Canada Post has not improved my life one bit over using other companies.

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                • N njm1314@lemmy.world

                  Why stop there? Clean water is a convenience isn’t it? What about fire departments? That’s a convenience. People could do these things on their own. They should be rugged individualist and always take care of themselves right? Why do we need roads? People should just pave their own roads right?

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                  toastmeister@lemmy.ca
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                  Why stop there? Clean water is a convenience isn’t it? What about fire departments? That’s a convenience. People could do these things on their own. They should be rugged individualist and always take care of themselves right? Why do we need roads? People should just pave their own roads right?

                  I believe water is done privately, as are utilities. Roads are obviously difficult to do when managing the various tolls, and eminent domain, an issue package delivery would never run into. Fire department I think you’d run into issues with housing density, given you can just let peoples house burn down without affecting others.

                  But I can understand the desire I suppose, I just feel like we are subsidizing private corporations. I’d at least like a law that required it was free shipping only for Canadian companies or maybe Canadian product.

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                  • S sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca

                    Privatization of liquor in Alberta has worked out amazingly well. Booze is cheaper and there’s a liquor store every 100 meters, some open well past midnight. It’s an alcoholic’s dream.

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                    thebloodfarts@lemmy.ca
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                    Beer in Alberta is far more expensive than in any other province

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                    • T toastmeister@lemmy.ca

                      You’re essentially taxing people for a convenience. You could do the same with streaming services, gyms, and all manners of things.

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                      saigot@lemmy.ca
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                      You could do the same with streaming services, gyms, and all manners of things.

                      Yes I agree!

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                      • J jamablaya@lemmy.world

                        This is a very long winded way to admit the existence of gullible and foolish people

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                        glide@lemmy.ca
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                        So “gullible and foolish people” deserve to be abused by corporate interests? We aren’t supposed to build a world that benefits everyone, regardless of how “gullible and foolish” they are?

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                        • S sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca

                          Privatization of liquor in Alberta has worked out amazingly well. Booze is cheaper and there’s a liquor store every 100 meters, some open well past midnight. It’s an alcoholic’s dream.

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                          Krudler
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                          I mean to an alcoholic in the small scale it sounds like it’s working out great.

                          But Canada’s recently done a study that shows the taxation gained from alcohol consumption is far less than the deleterious societal costs.

                          Effectively the government loses money on every bottle it taxes.

                          edit: This is known as Canada’s alcohol deficit. It was first studied in 2014 which showed a taxation intake of ~11 Billion while the social costs were estimated to be ~15B resulting in a deficit of about ~4B. believe the 2020 study showed the alcohol deficit is up to ~6B a year now. I’m lazy, but here’s one link for those who’d like to know more:

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                          The alcohol deficit: Canadian government revenue and societal costs from alcohol - Canada.ca

                          Canada runs an alcohol deficit of about $3.7 billion per year, when accounting considers both government revenue and societal costs from established sources.

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                          • A alaik@lemmy.zip

                            TIL Alberta had state run liquor stores. I’ll have to read about those when I get home.

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                            kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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                            TIL Alberta had state run liquor stores.

                            At one point every province did.

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                            • J jamablaya@lemmy.world

                              Same with auto insurance, if you’re a responsible driver. I’ve lived in BC, Alberta and Saskatchewan among other places the last 25 years, and Alberta is consistently far cheaper for auto insurance, if you shop around. A lot of people close to the AB border on the sask side do a little light fraud and pretend to live at their brothers house in alberta

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                              Krudler
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                              I think Quebec has (or at one time had?) the lowest because you’re not required to have collision insurance. You can have just liability, but if your car is a piece of shit you’re not required to insure it for repair should an accident occur. I could be wrong, and I’d love to know if I am.

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                              • K Krudler

                                I think Quebec has (or at one time had?) the lowest because you’re not required to have collision insurance. You can have just liability, but if your car is a piece of shit you’re not required to insure it for repair should an accident occur. I could be wrong, and I’d love to know if I am.

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                                revan343@lemmy.ca
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                                you’re not required to have collision insurance. You can have just liability, but if your car is a piece of shit you’re not required to insure it for repair should an accident occur

                                Are there places where this isn’t the case?

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                                • R revan343@lemmy.ca

                                  you’re not required to have collision insurance. You can have just liability, but if your car is a piece of shit you’re not required to insure it for repair should an accident occur

                                  Are there places where this isn’t the case?

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                                  Krudler
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                                  In my city you are required to have both liability and collision even if the car is worth a dollar. That is true across all of Canada to my knowledge, with the exception of Quebec.

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                                  • K Krudler

                                    In my city you are required to have both liability and collision even if the car is worth a dollar. That is true across all of Canada to my knowledge, with the exception of Quebec.

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                                    revan343@lemmy.ca
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                                    In my city you are required to have both liability and collision even if the car is worth a dollar.

                                    I’d be curious what city, but obviously you don’t have to answer that.

                                    That is true across all of Canada to my knowledge, with the exception of Quebec.

                                    Then you would be misinformed, because collision coverage is certainly not mandatory in Alberta, and I doubt it’s mandatory anywhere

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                                    • K Krudler

                                      In my city you are required to have both liability and collision even if the car is worth a dollar. That is true across all of Canada to my knowledge, with the exception of Quebec.

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                                      jamablaya@lemmy.world
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                                      Absolutely false. You’re not required to have collision on your own vehicle anywhere as far as I know. Collision on the other vehicle falls under liability, unless of course you haven’t paid your vehicle off yet, but even then, that’s a requirement of the bank, not the insurer. I don’t know every provinces laws perfectly, but I do know cities don’t determine insurance law.

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                                      • G glide@lemmy.ca

                                        So “gullible and foolish people” deserve to be abused by corporate interests? We aren’t supposed to build a world that benefits everyone, regardless of how “gullible and foolish” they are?

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                                        jamablaya@lemmy.world
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                                        Dumbasses deserve what they get.

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                                        • N njm1314@lemmy.world

                                          Why stop there? Clean water is a convenience isn’t it? What about fire departments? That’s a convenience. People could do these things on their own. They should be rugged individualist and always take care of themselves right? Why do we need roads? People should just pave their own roads right?

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                                          jamablaya@lemmy.world
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                                          Fucking city boys. People sort out their own water all the damn time without whining.

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