@Davriellelouna I dunno, I think there are other ways -- obviously nobody likes paying a fine for doing a pretty reasonable speed with no traffic or pedestrians around, even if it is a CSZ. like, <60 in a 50 zone that is a 40 CSZ when there is nobody around, doesn't feel fair. But also those speed cameras are not just spotting traffic, theyre always watching you. The discomfort with them is real

@Davriellelouna what could we do instead? more transit, more density, being able to walk to more places we need to go. but instead we get speed traps harassing people who are honestly acting pretty reasonable (ok, obviously there are maniacs who are not reasonable -- but they all drive benzes and bmws, so a fine probably isnt stopping them)

And anyone wonders why Brampton has some of the highest insurance rates in the country?

Roads should be designed so that it’s uncomfortable to drive above the targeted speed limit.

Things like road narrowing, speed bumps, bulb outs, lane adjustments, speed humps, pavement decorations, one way chokepoints, etc.

Current the Ontario road geometry supplement requires streets and roads to be geometrically designed to be at least 20kph higher than the posted limit. Well guess what, you want to naturally drive the design speed instead of posted.

Lower design speeds and target the remaining maniacs.

Quick video explaining speed of the measures I brought up (and why they work): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmxBcrXpClg

They’re always the “law and order” types except when it comes to traffic laws

These cameras disproportionately impact working class individuals, …

100% true, unless fines are scaled to be proportional with offender wealth.

I lived in that stupid city for 11 years. The drivers’ entitlement there is astronomical.

Please change the title to the one the article has.

That’s rule 1 of this instance.

How about instead of removing speed cameras, I propose we add permanent speed cameras to all school zones.

everything you say is true.

But thinking that cities will redesign their streets without public pressure? I doubt it.

Yep - between the speed, the shitty driving and the insurance scammers, I won’t be surprised when insurance companies start declining to insure people with Brampton addresses. I’m not saying it’s right, but it won’t be surprising.

Speed limits are just a cash grab

People will drive whatever speed they feel comfortable and if you actually want them to drive slower then build the roads accordingly for said speed

In Victoria we have 30 km/h speed limits on roads where you should be going 60 and it’s literally just a tax on poor people

I recently got fined for doing 61 in a 50 zone, I was the only one on the road, and in a sports car that can go like 100 in second gear

Thankfully, lessons from Europe seem to be penetrating Canada now; at least in the more urban areas. I saw some fantastic progress living in Montréal. Ottawa has the right ideas despite the master plan not being clear to people yet. Toronto was on the right path, but we’ll see what provincial pressures do. My current town of Kingston is late to the party, but we’ve got momentum in the right direction.

We spent 50+ years changing our built environment to “optimise” for the car, even with the best intentions it’s going to take time to change again.

How fast your car can go and how busy the road is irrelevant. Fact is you were exceeding the limit. Yes our road design sucks. It costs millions to rehabilitate just 1 road while it costs thousands to operate the cameras. People are literally dying due to excessive speeds on our roadways so I’ll take the not perfect solution of speed enforcement over nothing.

If only we had real world data showing that there are several examples of speed cameras having a positive effect on driver behavior… Even if it was “just a cash grab”, it’s still a productive thing to do, as it can be used to fund the infrastructure changes of actually designing roads to their desired speeds.

poor people

a sports car that can go like 100 in second gear

lmao ok

doesn’t feel fair

Why? Why does it feel unfair to follow the speed limit?

So let’s push for that instead of pushing to remove cameras. In fact, proportional fines would probably increase the revenue, which would bring the funds to improve the road design so folks don’t get the wrong impression of the speed they’re supposed to be in. Also let’s push for better transit so poor people are not forced to drive and risk getting fined.

If you’re that worried about it being a tax on poor people, advocate for free, high quality public transit. The way car centric places are designed right now basically means car ownership is the tax you pay to participate in society unless you want a significantly slower and scheduled experience trying to use transit.

I’ve been driving for 30 years and guess what? Never got a single ticket. It’s actually a tax on the stupid, the arrogant, and the impatient. And I’m super fine with that.