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  • D davriellelouna@lemmy.world
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    Petition calls for ‘immediate removal’ of all speed enforcement cameras in Brampton | inBrampton

    Hundreds of people have thrown their signatures behind a petition calling for “the immediate removal” of all speed enforcement cameras in Brampton while the city is set to add more by the end of the summer.

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    ikidd@lemmy.world
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    Calming measures work.

    Speed cameras do not.

    Spend money on calming measures but they won’t because revenue, and the camera companies give the sweet, sweet perks to get the revenue sharing contracts.

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      Petition calls for ‘immediate removal’ of all speed enforcement cameras in Brampton | inBrampton

      Hundreds of people have thrown their signatures behind a petition calling for “the immediate removal” of all speed enforcement cameras in Brampton while the city is set to add more by the end of the summer.

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      freshparsnip@lemmy.ca
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      #29

      Go on, ram into everything at top speed, unleash chaos, pedal to the metal

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      • ikidd@lemmy.worldI ikidd@lemmy.world

        Calming measures work.

        Speed cameras do not.

        Spend money on calming measures but they won’t because revenue, and the camera companies give the sweet, sweet perks to get the revenue sharing contracts.

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        showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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        Calming measures work.

        Yes, they do. And NIMBYs hate them more than automated traffic cameras.

        Speed cameras do not.

        They have demonstrated to be effective in all the Canadian municipalities who have implemented them. Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?

        The problem is people don’t like getting caught for breaking the law, so they either vandalize or petition against these cameras.

        Alternatively, they could drive the posted speed limit and not run red lights. 💁‍♂️

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        • V Victor Villas

          I’m in agreement that we need systemic solutions, and those involve improving road design, so we agree for the most part on the most important aspect of this.

          punishing people for being successful.

          But issuing bigger fines for breaking the law is very, VERY far from punishing people for being successful. It’s a correction of an unfortunate truth: if you’re wealthy, you can afford to drive recklessly.

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          no_eponym@lemmy.ca
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          Unscaled fines punish people for being poor, because the punishment is a larger percentage of their disposable income.

          Why should a poor person pay a fine of 30% of their monthly take home, while a rich enough person pays 5% (or less?) of their take home for the same infraction.

          The only fair solution is for the fine to amount to an equal percent of your take home pay. Then it is the same punishment for everyone.

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            Nik282000
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            They disproportionately effect assholes who speed. The fines are harder to pay if you are poor but they are equally easy to avoid for both rich and poor.

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            • ikidd@lemmy.worldI ikidd@lemmy.world

              Calming measures work.

              Speed cameras do not.

              Spend money on calming measures but they won’t because revenue, and the camera companies give the sweet, sweet perks to get the revenue sharing contracts.

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              Nik282000
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              #33

              Found the BMW driver.

              Adding narrow shoulders, speed bumps and plastic bollards to the center of roads all slow down traffic because they makes it difficult and uncomfortable to speed. They also drive all the assholes back to main streets instead of taking their big-brain shortcuts through residential areas.

              Speed cameras reduce speeding on the main streets by costing you money. After your 3rd, 5th, or 15th automatic ticket you will eventually slow down. You can’t narrow the ridiculous 4 lane city streets in Brampton to slow people down, you can’t put speed bumps in an 80 zone, speed cameras are a cheap and easy to deploy method of convincing drivers to slow the fuck down.

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              • R rabber@lemmy.ca

                Speed limits are just a cash grab

                People will drive whatever speed they feel comfortable and if you actually want them to drive slower then build the roads accordingly for said speed

                In Victoria we have 30 km/h speed limits on roads where you should be going 60 and it’s literally just a tax on poor people

                I recently got fined for doing 61 in a 50 zone, I was the only one on the road, and in a sports car that can go like 100 in second gear

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                apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca
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                People will drive whatever speed they feel comfortable and if you actually want them to drive slower then build the roads accordingly for said speed

                You got that exactly right, but instead of advocating for that you’ve chosen instead to complain that the speed limits should be made higher.

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                • D davriellelouna@lemmy.world
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                  Petition calls for ‘immediate removal’ of all speed enforcement cameras in Brampton | inBrampton

                  Hundreds of people have thrown their signatures behind a petition calling for “the immediate removal” of all speed enforcement cameras in Brampton while the city is set to add more by the end of the summer.

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                  spacecowboy@lemmy.ca
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                  People are like children with their cars. If you were an adult you’d understand you’re less likely to get into an accident when driving at lower speeds, and you’d want everyone else to drive slower so you wouldn’t be holding up up traffic by driving safely.

                  But nah… vroom vroom I want car go fast! I’m perfect driver so those laws aren’t for me!!! EVs suck because don’t go vroom vroom! Waaaaahhhh!!!

                  It’s that same as dealing with children.

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                  • R rabber@lemmy.ca

                    Speed limits are just a cash grab

                    People will drive whatever speed they feel comfortable and if you actually want them to drive slower then build the roads accordingly for said speed

                    In Victoria we have 30 km/h speed limits on roads where you should be going 60 and it’s literally just a tax on poor people

                    I recently got fined for doing 61 in a 50 zone, I was the only one on the road, and in a sports car that can go like 100 in second gear

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                    Nik282000
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                    #36

                    Speed limits are just a cash grab

                    Yeah! And heroine should be legal! Gun licensing is oppression!

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                    • no_eponym@lemmy.caN no_eponym@lemmy.ca

                      Unscaled fines punish people for being poor, because the punishment is a larger percentage of their disposable income.

                      Why should a poor person pay a fine of 30% of their monthly take home, while a rich enough person pays 5% (or less?) of their take home for the same infraction.

                      The only fair solution is for the fine to amount to an equal percent of your take home pay. Then it is the same punishment for everyone.

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                      Victor Villas
                      wrote on last edited by villasv@lemmy.ca
                      #37

                      Indeed I don’t disagree, I think it’s worth experimenting with this and driving fines look like a good place to start

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