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What business domains, services, organizations should be nationalized to ensure Canadian sovereignty?

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  • S subscript5676@lemmy.ca

    But isn’t that the point? If governments would cut public services to feed their own beast now, why wouldn’t they do that if we nationalize these services, so that they can then sell to people something better?

    That said, I actually did not know that the CEO at CP is also on the Purolator board. Why the hell was that even allowed in the first place?

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    Cyborganism
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    Because many (not all) of these things provide a revenue to the government. Especially with natural resource extraction and transformation which is something that can be traded. And having nationalized services may come at a cost, but the way this helps society provides a return on the investment in other ways like increased business, reduced downtime, better produtivity, etc. Just like free education provides training for jobs, or free medical services can provide preventative care to avoid people getting sick or hurt and preventing them from working, or a nationalized rail and train service that ensures the transportation of important resources either internally or internationally to the US, Mexico, etc, at a reasonable price that won’t hinder local businesses and ensure that foodstuff is also transported across the country to feed everyone and keep the cost of foods low.

    The whole objective is not to generate profits for shareholders, but to have a functional society that can generate revenue that can be taxed and use that to pay for services that support society and ensure efficiency, uptime and growth.

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    • B blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca

      Do you not understand percentages? Do you think there are only 1400 total two bedroom apartments in Calgary? The percentage change in available listings for sale does not in any way show you how many new units were created. Those are just how many people are currently trying to sell and don’t reflect net construction at all.

      Calgary grew it’s population by 100,179 people in 2024 but it’s total housing completions were only 21,084 total units. Given that the average housing unit doesn’t even come close to having 5 people in it (the average is usually somewhere in the high 2s) that means the total supply per capita went down.

      Those stats are from the city itself: https://www.calgary.ca/content/dam/www/cfod/finance/documents/corporate-economics/housing-review/Housing-Review-Q4-2024.pdf

      I really don’t know how you’ve managed to get so far in life given how bad you are at understanding math. I suspect you’re just lying to be honest.

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      lovecanada@lemmy.ca
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      Your lack of understanding is frustrating, especially since I know exactly what Im talking about.

      Calgary rentals are most often NOT from new builds so the number newly built in Calgary is the least significant factor. They are mostly used homes or apartments that are BOUGHT and converted to rentals. That’s where the surplus comes from - when you live in BC and can sell one house there for 1.8 million and come to Calgary and buy THREE 600,000 homes or a small apartment block and rent them out, its a smart financial move.

      Im done with the gaslighting my friend. I manage a landlords group, I have 120 landlords in my group we discuss this stuff weekly.

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      • B blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca

        So how exactly can they solve the housing crisis?

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        lovecanada@lemmy.ca
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        Alleviate, not necessarily SOLVE the housing crisis. Thats a long term thing thats going to take time and a whole lot of changes.

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        • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

          Alleviate, not necessarily SOLVE the housing crisis. Thats a long term thing thats going to take time and a whole lot of changes.

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          blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca
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          If you have a problem that affects 10 million people, and you build 100,000 units. Have you alleviated anything?

          The simple answer is no.

          You’re right that solving the housing crisis is going to take time and a whole lot of changes. The problem is that none of the changes we’re making right now will do a damn thing but prolong the suffering. The whole lot of changes that will actually fix it will happen once the ownership rate has dropped so much that enough people are willing to actually harm (economically hopefully) the remaining landlords. That process is going to take decades.

          The simple way to understand this is by doing some math. There are already more bedrooms in this country than there are citizens, by a reasonable margin. (You can confirm this with numbers from statscan if you want). Given that lots of people share bedrooms (couples, children, etc.) that means we don’t actually have a supply issue with housing. We have a demand and distribution issue.

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          • L lovecanada@lemmy.ca

            Your lack of understanding is frustrating, especially since I know exactly what Im talking about.

            Calgary rentals are most often NOT from new builds so the number newly built in Calgary is the least significant factor. They are mostly used homes or apartments that are BOUGHT and converted to rentals. That’s where the surplus comes from - when you live in BC and can sell one house there for 1.8 million and come to Calgary and buy THREE 600,000 homes or a small apartment block and rent them out, its a smart financial move.

            Im done with the gaslighting my friend. I manage a landlords group, I have 120 landlords in my group we discuss this stuff weekly.

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            blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca
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            You have fun with your little groupies. Calgary is going to keep getting more expensive, and you too will feel the pain that BC currently has. Just give it about 10 years.

            We’re all just following in the footsteps of Japan, which peaked it’s real estate problems in the 90s, and is now solving it by collapsing its population because most people couldn’t afford to have kids.

            Same train, just different amounts of the way towards the cliff.

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            • B blamethepeacock@lemmy.ca

              You have fun with your little groupies. Calgary is going to keep getting more expensive, and you too will feel the pain that BC currently has. Just give it about 10 years.

              We’re all just following in the footsteps of Japan, which peaked it’s real estate problems in the 90s, and is now solving it by collapsing its population because most people couldn’t afford to have kids.

              Same train, just different amounts of the way towards the cliff.

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              lovecanada@lemmy.ca
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              Thank goodness Lemmy still has a block feature. Bye.

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              • C Cyborganism

                That’s not essential. It’s very practical. But we can do without.

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                yardratiansoma@lemmy.ca
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                not essential? Maybe, but name 1 industry that doesn’t depend on it.

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                • yardratiansoma@lemmy.caY yardratiansoma@lemmy.ca

                  not essential? Maybe, but name 1 industry that doesn’t depend on it.

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                  Cyborganism
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                  Dude, there are TONS of industries that don’t rely on it. And even those who do, only do it because it’s more practical, but not out of necessity. Some companies have even gone back to on-premise because of costs and other security concerns, especially when the U.S. controls every single largest cloud service provider out there.

                  I know one canadian grocery chain that has their IT stuff all hosted on-prem. They don’t use cloud services. Some financial institutions also don’t use cloud services. For the longest time, SAP provided on-prem hosting services for their SAP Cloud Commerce platform before they moved to the cloud in 2019. It’s not a necessity. It’s just more practical.

                  Source: I’m a DevOps that worked in several companies as a consultant and full time.

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                  • C Cyborganism

                    Dude, there are TONS of industries that don’t rely on it. And even those who do, only do it because it’s more practical, but not out of necessity. Some companies have even gone back to on-premise because of costs and other security concerns, especially when the U.S. controls every single largest cloud service provider out there.

                    I know one canadian grocery chain that has their IT stuff all hosted on-prem. They don’t use cloud services. Some financial institutions also don’t use cloud services. For the longest time, SAP provided on-prem hosting services for their SAP Cloud Commerce platform before they moved to the cloud in 2019. It’s not a necessity. It’s just more practical.

                    Source: I’m a DevOps that worked in several companies as a consultant and full time.

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                    yardratiansoma@lemmy.ca
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                    #115

                    Ah, my bad, I just saw the “data storage and services” part and just ignored the “cloud” word. I was thinking more along the lines of, “what company doesn’t need IT services?”

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                    • yardratiansoma@lemmy.caY yardratiansoma@lemmy.ca

                      Ah, my bad, I just saw the “data storage and services” part and just ignored the “cloud” word. I was thinking more along the lines of, “what company doesn’t need IT services?”

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                      Cyborganism
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                      #116

                      😂😂😂 That’s okay.

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