I guess I misspoke. I meant to say that they aren’t detering speeding yet.

In my rural area they are putting 50km signs in the middle of the road on the yellow lines. Makes you feel like you’re threading a needle.

I walk as much as I drive. The people I see crossing the street while staring at their phone and/or wearing headphones is wild. As are the Leo who stand as close to the edge of the sidewalk as possible waiting for the light of to change, but you can’t do much there.

You also get people crossing when the hand is up, which should also be a ticketable offense.

Not a garbage city, a city with equal responsibility and accountability.

If we’re going to push for lower speed limits then I want to see adequate crosswalks, and vehicles and pedestrians being equally fined for infractions.

Neither activity is difficult business, yet we have a staggering amount of people driving who shouldn’t be, and pedestrians who are gonna end up in the hospital due to their own stupidity.

I walk and drive frequently. Pedestrian safety is important, but we shouldn’t be coddling morons who can’t be safe pedestrians. What the fuck happened to looking both ways and nkt wearing headphones etc? Pedestrian safety has gone to the wayside and instead we’re going after drivers?

When did these cameras catch the drivers? Was it during rush hour or was it at 3am when there was little traffic on the road in the first place? How much over the limit were these people doing? There’s an awful lot of important data missing here.

And yes, the drivers are absolutely the problem yet we keep lowering the limits instead of pulling the shit drivers with 0 reflex and the reaction time of a potato off the road.

Great, so set the limits to 70kmh so pedestrians stop being so careless, or lower the limits and put more pedestrian crossings in place.

Inform myself of what? The 10 year old crossing the empty street at 3am on a school night? Sure…

If other cars would just fucking do the limit and not take years to get there, there would be far less speeding. I know I’m mostly doing it to make up for lost time from all the dumb fucks I’m stuck behind/beside because they can’t keep the fuck up with traffic

Sounds like they were working as intended. In France they have speed cameras on the highway that average your speed over a distance and mail speeders tickets too, should be everywhere. Silly to stop such a wildly successful public safety campaign, if anything it’s clear this is a real problem and the program should be expanded. Why is signage needed? Follow the rules and don’t get a ticket is already a very well publicized concept, don’t speed and the cameras aren’t a problem

Aaand there it is. You’re a speeder and therefore a dangerous driver and refuse to take responsibility for the fact that you are making roadways more dangerous for yourself and everyone around you. You don’t see yourself as a bad person, so the fact that people like you could get punished for behaving in a way you think is fine and redeemabke makes you angry. You’re impatient and want to save a few minutes of “lost time” from traffic and believe the solution is to speed rather than leaving a few minutes earlier, advocating for traffic calming measures, fewer cards on the road, more effective roadways, effective public transportation etc. all of which would make it safer and easier for everyone, including yourself, to make it where they need to go on time.

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Wow fuck cars all roads should be 30kph

Road ways are designed with something like a safety factor where a 50kph road way Is safe up to 80kph. It’s just reduced for those stunned types of us.

But then we can’t just cut and paste the same lane design regardless if it is a school zone or a freeway.

Designing a 50 zone to be safe at 80 is a big part of why our roads are dangerous and we need to address mass speeding. On a highway it make sense to give more wiggle room with speed, the same is not true for residential roads or school zones.

Driving is not a right. Not everyone is entitled to it. Blind people, people under 16, people with certain health conditions, people who have had too many DUIs.

I agree with the rest of your comment but driving isn’t a right, we’ve just built a society where it feels like we have to treat it as a right to be fair.

Try understanding. The road was already designed to be safe at 80kph. They lower it down to 50kph because of folks such as the ones who brake at the green light because the count down timer for the walk signal hit zero. Or the ones who don’t know where the fuck they are going, panick miss their turn and slam on the fucking brakes in the middle of a 3 lane road instead of pulling a u-turn 100m up the road. Then they try the bulshit of traffic calming shit by retiming the lights so every light in 10km stretch will be red when you get to it. Fucking phenomenal way to prevent irritation.

Doh, I got that reversed 🫣 Corrected now.

In my rural area they are putting 50km signs in the middle of the road on the yellow lines. Makes you feel like you’re threading a needle.

I like that idea!

We have something similar in a few spots around here using flexible bollards.

So no example of a city that has successfully implemented all these ideas and was better for it?

Because there’s lots of cities that have successfully done mostly the opposite and are better for it (Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Montreal, Paris, Bergen, Oulu, etc)

Last year, I think it was on the War on Cars podcast, their guest was a disillusioned traffic engineer that called his entire field “a fraud discipline.” Like they put absolutely no critical thought into their designs as long as they are built to the exacting code.

Edit: Found it, it was an episode from a few years ago.

I was getting it mixed up with this other episode.

Maybe they should consider changing the speed limits a bit.

Or, hear me out, people could make the needle on their dash point at the same number as the one printed on the giant white signs all over.

For sure! One of those changes requires money and time, and one requires people to pay attention. Should be an easy choice which should get implemented now vs in 5-10yrs.

I dislike the infantalization of the public, and the idea that people can’t be trusted, so we should make the roads such that they NEED to follow the limit feels stupid.

now just rely on getting tickets to keep us in line, I mean if thats our system and there isn’t enough push to retest us regularly, then yeah, I’m not opposed to getting tickets. My city has installed them throughout our community safety zones, and I got dinged once at 8km.hr over. Sure, it sucks, but I was the one in the wrong. The idea of removing them, or me saying its the fault of the road design is ridiculous. I chose to go that speed, largely because we’ve been able to speed at 5-10km/hr over the speed limit with no consequences for my entire adult life. Now I see a community safety zone and I go the speed limit, regardless of where I am or what the road ‘feels’ like I can drive.

The 10 speed automatic transmission can let you creep from 100 to 115/120 pretty easily and relatively unnoticeably on an empty road.

If he’s on a highway, then learn what 100 feels like in your new car. It’s an adjustment. I work in road design, and the safety standards that are required when designing highways trump concerns over speeding. People are bad judges of what is a ‘safe’ speed, and building highways around how fast people feel comfortable going leads to more accidents and more dangerous accidents.

That being said, I’m all for narrowing lanes, adding MUPs or widening sidewalks, all of which can occur at the same time. But the transportation master plan and/or asset management queue is built up for the next ~10 years (minimum), and updating or changing that is a very expensive process most places dont have the money for.

From the article, New Westminster Drive was the highest (9,000+ tickets). The road was redone in 2015 (with no changes to the alignment or width). That means they’re likely looking at a minimum of 15+ years before they’ll rebuild the road, which is whats required to adjust curblines, narrow the road, or otherwise change the alignment. Likewise Ansley Grove Road was redone in 2010, and won’t be rebuilt for 10+years.

Those roads are all four lane urban roads with few intersecting streets and long stretches for motorists to get up to speed. Speed enforcement is the simplest and fastest method to address the problem now. Sure, petition your local council to change what their standard road cross section is, but that won’t change anything for 15+ years. ___