You're going to make up the funding shortfall, right?
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Most collegiate institutions in Canada have been going gangbusters for 20 years building new facilities and just generally being stupid with money, cutting down on tenured professors, loading up on administrators.
Like. Maybe some very poor decisions have been made for which there are consequences.
If they were underfunded and hurting for money then why would we do this? If they’re underfunded and hurting for money now then why would we provide it when they were so irresponsible with it?
There could be nuance to this situation i don’t understand but from my POV our higher educational institutions need to get their fucking shit together.
The one I have as a client has only built a new trades building and a new nursing building in the last 10 years, both for super in-demand programs. As far as I can tell they’re not overly top heavy in any way.
Maybe certain institutions were being stupid, but it’s definitely not all of them.
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It’s funny that our college-like businesses are crutching on foreign students to stay afloat; and if they dry up a bit, people are pissed that they have to find a new way to keep education running as a for-profit business without the understanding that running as such is wrong.
Tax the rich. Run the schools. Go find a Viking nation and ask them how they managed since forever.
Exporting education IS taxing the rich. The rich just happen to be from a different country. The majority of those students are paying vast sums of money to these schools to get their education, then going back home after. That money was subsidizing education for Canadian citizens.
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The federal and provincial governments have been underfunding universities for decades. Recently, universities were able to start recruiting foreign students to make up for the shortfall, but it looks like that money tap will be turned down. It doesn’t look like there’s a plan to make up for it.
At the same time, the feds want to
recruit more than 1,000 top international researchers to Canada, with the budget injecting up to $1.7-billion into a suite of recruitment measures.
That’ll be tough if universities see their income crater.
I know people who were qualified for graduate school, but did not get in. Mainly because foreign students pay better. There would actually be a more diverse/enjoyable university experience if more Canadians (say at least half of students) were admitted.
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It’s annoying the only real choices are business daddy, or business daddy that’s deiniftely a bigoted racist.
Yup, Neo-liberal or full blown Nuremberg. Easy choice but we’re still getting fucked. We need ranked choice voting and proportional representation but how do you get our parliament to vote through a resolution that endangers a lot of their safe seats.
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Exporting education IS taxing the rich. The rich just happen to be from a different country. The majority of those students are paying vast sums of money to these schools to get their education, then going back home after. That money was subsidizing education for Canadian citizens.
Yeah. There’s no way you’re going to get older, wealthier Canadian taxpayers to make up the shortfall by cutting back on international students.
We’re having a hard enough time as it is getting elementary school teachers paid. Universities cost FAR MORE per student than elementary schools. Tuition costs have skyrocketed way faster than inflation.
Making taxpayers pay all tuition costs is the surest way to get universities defunded completely.
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Universities are non-profit organizations in Canada. I agree that they don’t need unlimited growth, but the consequence of not funding them is a decrease in the quality of education and the country’s ability to be at the forefront of research.
They are absolutely hurting right now, btw. One consequence of this is some (small) amount of improved efficiency, but the reality if this continues is a degradation of post-secondary education.
For example, more and more high school students will struggle to get into good programs, and then eventually, we just won’t have good programs.
They’re hurting because they got addicted to international student funding and grew to ridiculous size, then that funding dried up and they don’t want to shrink back down to normal size.
It’s like a person being fed all-you-can-eat fried chicken and milkshakes, gaining 300 lbs, then being put on a healthy diet and complaining they’re hungry all the time.
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Exporting education IS taxing the rich. The rich just happen to be from a different country. The majority of those students are paying vast sums of money to these schools to get their education, then going back home after. That money was subsidizing education for Canadian citizens.
It used to be. Now it’s bringing in people from India who have taken a loan or borrowed from family in order to get into a diploma mill, whilst actually working for an abusive boss in the “service industry”
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It used to be. Now it’s bringing in people from India who have taken a loan or borrowed from family in order to get into a diploma mill, whilst actually working for an abusive boss in the “service industry”
It would have been trivially easy to kill diploma mills off without affecting public universities and colleges. There’s only around 200 of those across the whole country and they’re heavily regulated/monitored/audited, and they could have just given them an exception on the quotas to keep them fully functional.
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Most collegiate institutions in Canada have been going gangbusters for 20 years building new facilities and just generally being stupid with money, cutting down on tenured professors, loading up on administrators.
Like. Maybe some very poor decisions have been made for which there are consequences.
If they were underfunded and hurting for money then why would we do this? If they’re underfunded and hurting for money now then why would we provide it when they were so irresponsible with it?
There could be nuance to this situation i don’t understand but from my POV our higher educational institutions need to get their fucking shit together.
Because withholding the money doesn’t punish the irresponsible parties, it punishes the students and (consequentially) all of society.
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They’re hurting because they got addicted to international student funding and grew to ridiculous size, then that funding dried up and they don’t want to shrink back down to normal size.
It’s like a person being fed all-you-can-eat fried chicken and milkshakes, gaining 300 lbs, then being put on a healthy diet and complaining they’re hungry all the time.
The didn’t get “addicted”, they had their funding model fucked with by various levels of government. They don’t choose their fucking revenue models! The state clawed back a bunch of funding and replaced it with international students, and now they’re taking that away. So the result is massive hardship.
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Somehow I doubt their budgets shortfall and spending choices are only because government wont give these private for profit institutions enough free money.
What institutions are you talking about, specifically. Name a couple.
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It would have been trivially easy to kill diploma mills off without affecting public universities and colleges. There’s only around 200 of those across the whole country and they’re heavily regulated/monitored/audited, and they could have just given them an exception on the quotas to keep them fully functional.
I’d mostly agree, although there are a number of institutions that were previously providing more balanced services and “saw green” to focus more on international revenue and might need to scale back as well.
Best thing is just to remove the changes that allowed international students to work off campus (and increase policing of those hiring illegally). That particular change really seems to have been a tipping point for the system
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The federal and provincial governments have been underfunding universities for decades. Recently, universities were able to start recruiting foreign students to make up for the shortfall, but it looks like that money tap will be turned down. It doesn’t look like there’s a plan to make up for it.
At the same time, the feds want to
recruit more than 1,000 top international researchers to Canada, with the budget injecting up to $1.7-billion into a suite of recruitment measures.
That’ll be tough if universities see their income crater.
There is too much bloat. I’ve seen first hand essentially glorified admins being paid $130k + full pension. They need to trim the fat at these places and restructure operations to get rid of all the waste.
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The federal and provincial governments have been underfunding universities for decades. Recently, universities were able to start recruiting foreign students to make up for the shortfall, but it looks like that money tap will be turned down. It doesn’t look like there’s a plan to make up for it.
At the same time, the feds want to
recruit more than 1,000 top international researchers to Canada, with the budget injecting up to $1.7-billion into a suite of recruitment measures.
That’ll be tough if universities see their income crater.
I watched my local college lose all its credibility as a result of running borderline scams for foreign students. My old university otoh has been rather smart about not becoming too dependent on foriegn student tuition. I love immigration, and especially think exporting our education is a good thing, but the way these programs have been run in recent years is a cancer on these institutions and pure short term thinking. I’d rather see reform, but this is almost as good.
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There is too much bloat. I’ve seen first hand essentially glorified admins being paid $130k + full pension. They need to trim the fat at these places and restructure operations to get rid of all the waste.
Both for this and for healthcare.
The nurses are struggling to get a fair deal while somehow the billions a year put into healthcare goes where exactly?
Not to the front line staff, I’ll tell you that much.
And I get it, materials and equipment isn’t cheap but between nurses salaries and material costs, and the occasional multi-million dollar piece of equipment… I just don’t see where it’s all being spent. Between the middle and upper management, there needs to be an overhaul.
Education on every level isn’t dissimilar.
Hell, most government services need a review, at the very least.
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I know people who were qualified for graduate school, but did not get in. Mainly because foreign students pay better. There would actually be a more diverse/enjoyable university experience if more Canadians (say at least half of students) were admitted.
Most rigorous studies show that immigration is to the net financial benefit of a nation but the increase of foreign students in Canada is really just a story of capitalist greed. The quality of education is far too low for the cost of tuition and I’d argue its an extremist capitalist position to expect infinite growth from a nations productivity and to see decreasing fertility as an existential threat.
Now it’s complicated in Canada because social services are funded by the current tax payer base and Boomers are about to decimate the healthcare system as they get older and sicker. But bringing folks over on false pretenses is not the solution to that.
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The federal and provincial governments have been underfunding universities for decades. Recently, universities were able to start recruiting foreign students to make up for the shortfall, but it looks like that money tap will be turned down. It doesn’t look like there’s a plan to make up for it.
At the same time, the feds want to
recruit more than 1,000 top international researchers to Canada, with the budget injecting up to $1.7-billion into a suite of recruitment measures.
That’ll be tough if universities see their income crater.
Are we now acting like universities are poor and aren’t gouging the fuck out of everyone?
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Are we now acting like universities are poor and aren’t gouging the fuck out of everyone?
How much do they charge in your province? Tuition is very affordable here in Quebec
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Are we now acting like universities are poor and aren’t gouging the fuck out of everyone?
Wtf are you talking about. Tuitions have been frozen in Ontario for 8 years. Laurentian went broke.
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Wtf are you talking about. Tuitions have been frozen in Ontario for 8 years. Laurentian went broke.
Unaffordable 8 years ago doesn’t mean it’s affordable now. It’s always been a gouge and continues to be so. Higher education is for the upper middle class and wealthy, they use it to look down on others and maintain the status quo, they don’t want poor people there unless a rich person pays
