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  • silverpillS This user is from outside of this forum
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    silverpill
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    #2

    I think it's important to get an Announce, because the actor who addressed the community might be blocked by that community, or might not be a member of it (if the community is private).
    You can try to retrieve the outbox of the addressed community to verify that a post was actually Announce'd

    @activitypub

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    • silverpillS silverpill

      I think it's important to get an Announce, because the actor who addressed the community might be blocked by that community, or might not be a member of it (if the community is private).
      You can try to retrieve the outbox of the addressed community to verify that a post was actually Announce'd

      @activitypub

      julianJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #3

      silverpill@mitra.social I thought about checking against the outbox, but there’s a potential race condition that could occur if I receive the Create(Note) at roughly the same time as the community, but the community hasn’t processed the activity yet. In that scenario, the activity would not be in the outbox for checking.

      The same thing would happen if there was some out-of-band check for object membership in a collection (not that there is one right now).

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        #4

        I still think it would be good to update the synchronization function in admin settings to automatically slot any synced community/category into the local category, even if the sync only goes one way (e.g. with Lemmy not being able to remote follow category actors).

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        • julianJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          projectmoon@forum.agnos.is it’ll work better once cross-posting is built into NodeBB I think 😄

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          • silverpillS This user is from outside of this forum
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            #6

            @julian Does NodeBB support creating new topics by mentioning a group/category?

            I wonder how context should be assigned in this case.

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            • silverpillS silverpill

              @julian Does NodeBB support creating new topics by mentioning a group/category?

              I wonder how context should be assigned in this case.

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              #7

              silverpill@mitra.social yes, it should. Mentioning the category means it will be addressed and NodeBB will slot the received content in the first group object it finds.

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              • silverpillS This user is from outside of this forum
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                #8

                If I create a topic this way, I will be the owner of the context collection. But if the conversation is to be moderated, it should be owned by the group.

                Am I correct?

                (there is a parallel discussion happening at https://codeberg.org/streams/streams/issues/229)

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                • silverpillS silverpill

                  If I create a topic this way, I will be the owner of the context collection. But if the conversation is to be moderated, it should be owned by the group.

                  Am I correct?

                  (there is a parallel discussion happening at https://codeberg.org/streams/streams/issues/229)

                  julianJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #9

                  I suppose you’re right in a way. The context owner is not supposed to be set by someone other than the context owner. It’s a fallback mechanism intended for better compatibility with Mastodon.

                  When a group is addressed and it is one of the local NodeBB categories, it will assume control

                  If it is another group that it knows about but isn’t same origin to the author, then no category is assumed.

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                  • silverpillS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #10

                    How it works between forums, e.g. between Discourse and NodeBB?
                    Can a Discourse user create a topic in NodeBB category?
                    Who creates/owns the context collection in this case?

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                    • Scott M. StolzS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Is there or should there be a distinction between the original and the mirrors?

                      We have a conversation owner at the thread level (which is either the forum, subforum, forum category, or person who created the top level post, depending on the software). They determine the official moderated version of the thread since they can remove comments (although mirrors don't have to honor that).

                      If we show that conversation on another server, technically that is a mirror of that thread, especially if you are throwing it in a category or displaying it under a hashtag.

                      Should we be indicating that a particular thread was started on a particular forum (or category within a forum)? Should we be honoring the moderated version of the conversation from the original thread?

                      The concept of mirroring threads across platforms is great for participation and censorship resistance, but it does make it unclear about who owns the thread from a moderation perspective.
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