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6 in 10 Canadians say they can never trust Americans the same way again

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  • G gila

    I think “oot” emphasises the difference from US accents for parody reasons, and also it’s just not that simple to describe that difference by substituting a single letter of the alphabet. The best way I can think of to describe it (based on experience with friends from BC) is like a combination of “oht” and “oat”

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    whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
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    I’m in the US and I have to support this analysis. I dated someone from Canada when I was younger, and at first he expressed the same thought as the poster above - he didn’t hear the difference, so he didn’t get it.

    Until he came to visit me in the states. The difference between how his dad and my dad talked was so apparent, the stereotype just “clicked.” To say “aboot” is definitely an exaggeration, but in all fairness, it’s really hard to repeat a sound that isn’t in your native dialect. There is no US-English equivalent for the “ou” sound in Canadian English “about.”

    It’s like when a Japanese speaker uses a Z sound instead of English TH - it’s not because Z is exactly what they hear when an English person says TH, but because the TH sound doesn’t exist in Japanese at all. In both cases (and so many more across the world), speakers substitute non-standard sounds with ones they already know.

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    • B burntwits@sh.itjust.works

      I never understood this stereotype (aboot vs about). I’m Canadian, lived here all my life, my family is all Canadian and all have lived here all their lives. I’ve got family all across the country, from the western coast of BC to the eastern coast of Newfoundland, from the northern stretches of Nunavut to the most southern tip of Ontario, and very rarely have I ever heard it pronounced that way. It’s actually really funny as a Canadian to look up “how to speak like a Canadian” and watch how awful most of the “tips” are. I’d recommend it.

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      vithigar@lemmy.ca
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      #30

      It’s exaggerated. I’m from Newfoundland and have little to no regional accent, but still have very slight grammatical and phonetic tells that are apparently obvious to people from elsewhere.

      I use more long “O” sounds than people in the US which is apparently obvious almost immediately, and I have some odd grammar whitch apparently singles me out as from NL very quickly to anyone in Canada.

      Also, apparently the way I say “thirteen” has a stronger hint of Newfoundland in it than the rest of my speech, at least according to one of my co-workers from Ontario.

      It’s quite possible that having such a wide ranging family same social circle has simple acclimated you to the various regional differences in dialect.

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      • F fodor@lemmy.zip

        The headline is just false. Please use words accurately. If you’re talking about the government, don’t name the citizens instead. Amateur hour.

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        D_C
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        #31

        Explain?

        I mean, it looks pretty chock full of facts when you look what the title says and the article…
        Title:
        6 in 10 Canadians say they can never trust Americans the same way again

        The most revealing part of the article:

        Six in 10 Canadians (60 per cent) say they can never trust the Americans the same way ever again, the poll found.

        Seems the same as the title (to me, at least)

        Added bonus pic to really ram home how the title and article are saying the same thing:
        6 out of 10

        Over half of canadians don’t trust america anymore, so how is the title false?

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        • B burntwits@sh.itjust.works

          I never understood this stereotype (aboot vs about). I’m Canadian, lived here all my life, my family is all Canadian and all have lived here all their lives. I’ve got family all across the country, from the western coast of BC to the eastern coast of Newfoundland, from the northern stretches of Nunavut to the most southern tip of Ontario, and very rarely have I ever heard it pronounced that way. It’s actually really funny as a Canadian to look up “how to speak like a Canadian” and watch how awful most of the “tips” are. I’d recommend it.

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          krunklom@lemmy.zip
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          A lot of people in the us will misinterpret a rural Ontario accent as Californian because way back in the day a bunch of people from Ontario moved to California and apparently the accent kind of caught on.

          There’s a town called Ontario in California even.

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            billwashere
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            Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.

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            • B billwashere

              Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.

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              valmond@lemmy.world
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              Well, one makes the other.

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              • I imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works

                Yeah, I was just wondering what the hell is wrong with 4/10 Canadians?

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                valmond@lemmy.world
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                Every country has “the idiot third”, add a couple “IDK” and bam 40%

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                • V valmond@lemmy.world

                  Well, one makes the other.

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                  billwashere
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                  Sorta… But only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags. And of those, most of them voted that way because of a single R. So I’d guess around 75% of the people don’t agree with what is going on.

                  So as a concrete example, I’m an American and I’d go out of my way to help most anyone but I am not the United States.

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                  • V vithigar@lemmy.ca

                    It’s exaggerated. I’m from Newfoundland and have little to no regional accent, but still have very slight grammatical and phonetic tells that are apparently obvious to people from elsewhere.

                    I use more long “O” sounds than people in the US which is apparently obvious almost immediately, and I have some odd grammar whitch apparently singles me out as from NL very quickly to anyone in Canada.

                    Also, apparently the way I say “thirteen” has a stronger hint of Newfoundland in it than the rest of my speech, at least according to one of my co-workers from Ontario.

                    It’s quite possible that having such a wide ranging family same social circle has simple acclimated you to the various regional differences in dialect.

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                    rumba@lemmy.zip
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                    It’s exaggerated.

                    I watch a lot of Canadian Youtube, it’s totally a mix.

                    80% of the time it’s identical to US about

                    19% of the time it’s aboawt.

                    1% of the time it’s totally a-boot.

                    With a US English ear, it’s jarring. (not in a bad way) but we totally notice it.

                    Not eveyone does it. Linus from Linus tech tips drops one every few shows, but then Electro Boom never does. Bobsdecline does it a little less often.

                    It’s kind of like the US and Brittish people saying Idear instead of idea. it happens once in a while

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                    • T thereturnofpeb@reddthat.com

                      As an US American watching two decades of secular human sacrifice through the long tail of the gunpowder revolution has left me undernourished and starving for humanity.

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                      Triumph
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                      I’m afraid that the humanity you starve for has always been an ideal, and not reality.

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                      • B billwashere

                        Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.

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                        jhex@lemmy.world
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                        both… after electing a convicted felon and rapist to the presidency for a SECOND time, Americans cannot escape responsability in my books

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                        • I imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works

                          Yeah, I was just wondering what the hell is wrong with 4/10 Canadians?

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                          jhex@lemmy.world
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                          half of those are probably Bertans

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                          • B billwashere

                            Sorta… But only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags. And of those, most of them voted that way because of a single R. So I’d guess around 75% of the people don’t agree with what is going on.

                            So as a concrete example, I’m an American and I’d go out of my way to help most anyone but I am not the United States.

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                            nocturnalengineer@lemmy.world
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                            Sorry but the 35% who didn’t vote, knowing the threat of Trump becoming president again was looming, are no different than those who voted Republican.

                            The whole world remember his first presidential term. And we all saw the Project 2025 playbook. The US is in a mess of its own creation.

                            As a Brit, I too have lost trust in Americans unless proved otherwise.

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                            • B billwashere

                              Sorta… But only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags. And of those, most of them voted that way because of a single R. So I’d guess around 75% of the people don’t agree with what is going on.

                              So as a concrete example, I’m an American and I’d go out of my way to help most anyone but I am not the United States.

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                              valmond@lemmy.world
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                              Sure not everyone is on board, especially how it’s going lately, but you do spell it out kind of. Only 65% voted, that’s 35% who just decided to like give up or something. A third of you. Then a third voted MAGA, a thorn other.

                              That’s the danger of the stupid third.

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                              • B billwashere

                                Sorta… But only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags. And of those, most of them voted that way because of a single R. So I’d guess around 75% of the people don’t agree with what is going on.

                                So as a concrete example, I’m an American and I’d go out of my way to help most anyone but I am not the United States.

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                                mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca
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                                okay so you’re saying that we should be safe and play the odds and not trust any americans since the grand majority did nothing to stop this

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                                • V valmond@lemmy.world

                                  Sure not everyone is on board, especially how it’s going lately, but you do spell it out kind of. Only 65% voted, that’s 35% who just decided to like give up or something. A third of you. Then a third voted MAGA, a thorn other.

                                  That’s the danger of the stupid third.

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                                  billwashere
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                                  Right now, they are a danger for more than just Canadians.

                                  I’m not trying to be an apologist. I’m just saying most of us aren’t that stupid, xenophobic, and racist. But some of us definitely are.

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                                  • N nocturnalengineer@lemmy.world

                                    Sorry but the 35% who didn’t vote, knowing the threat of Trump becoming president again was looming, are no different than those who voted Republican.

                                    The whole world remember his first presidential term. And we all saw the Project 2025 playbook. The US is in a mess of its own creation.

                                    As a Brit, I too have lost trust in Americans unless proved otherwise.

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                                    billwashere
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                                    Oh I know, I don’t blame you in the least. I’m losing trust in my fellow Americans. The whole process was just a major fustercluck. I woke up the morning after with a serious case of dread of what was about to happen. The apathy in this country is a major issue no doubt. I’m hopeful that as shit gets worse and worse, the apathy goes away. If it doesn’t, then Handmaid’s Tale becomes more of a playbook and less a work of fiction.

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                                    • J jhex@lemmy.world

                                      both… after electing a convicted felon and rapist to the presidency for a SECOND time, Americans cannot escape responsability in my books

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                                      billwashere
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                                      I can’t blame you. But to quote a movie … “A person is smart. But people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals…”

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                                      • B billwashere

                                        I can’t blame you. But to quote a movie … “A person is smart. But people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals…”

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                                        jhex@lemmy.world
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                                        precisely, I don’t hate Americans, I just can’t trust them blindly

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                                          melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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                                          Wow! That’s like fifty percent. Those wacky polls.

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