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6 in 10 Canadians say they can never trust Americans the same way again

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  • L lefantome@programming.dev

    Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.

    Did I miss the violent military coup?

    I mean, there was that one guy that riled up his supporters to attack the capital. But then 70% of “Americans” participated in his democratic election as President just a few months ago.

    Are you suggesting we trust those guys?

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    doingthestuff@lemy.lol
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    #81

    There may have been thousands of guns there on Jan 6th but they only found like three in the hands of civilians. You’ll know if Americans get riled up enough to attack the capital.

    And no, 70% of the population didn’t vote for him, he got just under 50% of the votes, but that was only about 23% of Americans.

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    • B beejboytyson@lemmy.world

      Dw us and the injuns got pay back. How did reward them? Oh right…https://www.ontario.ca/page/indian-residential-schools

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      randomgal@lemmy.ca
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      #82

      Ah yes. Native American. Famously for participating the the Boston tea… Hold on…

      Are you a bot?

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        mystikincarnate@lemmy.ca
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        Personally, my trust in any specific individual is entirely based on that individual, regardless of their nationality or any other factor… Because I’m not bigoted like that.

        However, my trust in the American government and my willingness to use American brands has been permanently altered.

        Given how much surveillance most major tech companies do on their users, I’m just about ready to break out the tin foil. Shit is getting wild.

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        • M mystikincarnate@lemmy.ca

          Personally, my trust in any specific individual is entirely based on that individual, regardless of their nationality or any other factor… Because I’m not bigoted like that.

          However, my trust in the American government and my willingness to use American brands has been permanently altered.

          Given how much surveillance most major tech companies do on their users, I’m just about ready to break out the tin foil. Shit is getting wild.

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          raiderkev@lemmy.world
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          #84

          This. I live in a bubble in California. We still have decent folks here. When I travel the country I tend to encounter the chuds at airport bars. The key chud indicator is to respond that you’re from San Francisco when they ask. They won’t be able to contain the fox news eulogy for San Francisco and how it used to be a great state before it got "ruined "

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          • S slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works

            I’ve had beef with them ever since they dressed up in redface and threw a bunch of perfectly good tea into the Boston harbour. Quite rude, and they never apologized for it.

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            kreskin@lemmy.world
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            #85

            beef has gotten really expensive in the US.

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            • N nocturnalengineer@lemmy.world

              Sorry but the 35% who didn’t vote, knowing the threat of Trump becoming president again was looming, are no different than those who voted Republican.

              The whole world remember his first presidential term. And we all saw the Project 2025 playbook. The US is in a mess of its own creation.

              As a Brit, I too have lost trust in Americans unless proved otherwise.

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              kreskin@lemmy.world
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              #86

              Here is one of those people who shouldnt be trusted.

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              • R randomgal@lemmy.ca

                Ah yes. Native American. Famously for participating the the Boston tea… Hold on…

                Are you a bot?

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                beejboytyson@lemmy.world
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                You know Canadians burn down the white house, right? And the first nation people were the one that led the atk? Right?

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                • StametsS Stamets

                  Bingo bango bongo, I don’t want to go to Guantanamo. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.

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                  billwashere
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                  It’s not Guantanamo you gotta worry about. It’s El Salvador and Alligator Auschwitz.

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                  • B billwashere

                    My only conclusion is that the pain numbers haven’t reached a point that requires action. Most people can’t see the forest for the trees and are painfully oblivious to what is going on because of whatever reason. Stupidity, willfully ignorance, it’s hurting the”right” people more, etc.

                    And by “my numbers” it’s more like 50%-60%. I just want you to understand that just because the government is doing it, doesn’t mean a plurality of the citizens feel the same way. Hell even some of the most ardent GOPers are starting to balk at the shit that’s happening.

                    Now, with that said, I would not come to the US as a foreigner for any reason right now whatsoever. It’s just not worth it.

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                    lefantome@programming.dev
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                    #89

                    By your numbers, 30% of Americans voted to keep Trump away from the Presidency. The other 70% did nothing to keep him out of office.

                    70% of Americans were happy enough with a Trump presidency that they at the very least did not lift a finger to prevent it. And 50% of the 70% actively supported him.

                    Was there a car show on that day?

                    Why now do we want to say that the 70% that enabled Trump “do not feel the same way”?

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                      subgenius
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                      #90

                      I don’t blame them. I am (sadly) American, and I certainly don’t trust most Americans right now.

                      Edit to add: and don’t know that I ever will again.

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                        thatweirdguy1001@lemmy.world
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                        #91

                        I hate that I’m lumped in with these people but I also understand.

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                        • B billwashere

                          It’s not Guantanamo you gotta worry about. It’s El Salvador and Alligator Auschwitz.

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                          Stamets
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                          Yeah but that doesn’t fit into the rhyming scheme of the song

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                          • B billwashere

                            Sorta… But only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags. And of those, most of them voted that way because of a single R. So I’d guess around 75% of the people don’t agree with what is going on.

                            So as a concrete example, I’m an American and I’d go out of my way to help most anyone but I am not the United States.

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                            merc@sh.itjust.works
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                            #93

                            Americans always tell themselves these lies. Yes, only 65% voted, but the ones who didn’t vote weren’t all non-voting democrats. About half would have voted Trump if they’d voted. It’s not some small minority that supported Trump, it was a majority.

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                            • M makeshiftreaper@lemmy.world

                              "I can’t help it. It’s who I am. It’s in my nature.” said the American to the Canadian

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                              merc@sh.itjust.works
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                              #94

                              “This isn’t who we are!” cry the Americans, after the political violence that has defined the US since its inception rears its head yet again.

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                                nul42@lemmy.ca
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                                4 of 10 never trusted them to begin with

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                                • B barneypiccolo@lemmy.today

                                  That’s okay, I haven’t trusted America in decades, and I’m American. Canadians are wise to be mistrustful of our GOVERNMENT. Most of the people are mostly cool. It’s just the MAGAs you have to hide your kids from.

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                                  merc@sh.itjust.works
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                                  #96

                                  As someone who has MAGA relatives in the US, most of the people are definitely not mostly cool. His die-hard supporters may only be about 35% of the population (which is huge) but there’s at least another 15% who are sympathetic to the whole movement. At most, 50% of the population is mostly cool, the other half is mostly very uncool.

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                                  • S slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works

                                    I’ve had beef with them ever since they dressed up in redface and threw a bunch of perfectly good tea into the Boston harbour. Quite rude, and they never apologized for it.

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                                    merc@sh.itjust.works
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                                    Especially because they were doing it to protect their smuggling profits, not out of some great and noble cause.

                                    Ungrateful sods too, because a lot of the war debt that the tariffs were meant to pay off were the result of beating the French on the American continent so that it could be settled by English colonists. Ever wonder why so many places in the US have French names? Detroit, Louisville, St. Louis, Lafayette, Reno (a.k.a. Renault), Arkansas, Illinois…

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                                    • S slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works

                                      I’ve had beef with them ever since they dressed up in redface and threw a bunch of perfectly good tea into the Boston harbour. Quite rude, and they never apologized for it.

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                                      canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                      #98

                                      Eh, I’m a pretty big fan of democracy. I kinda think I would have supported the side that wasn’t about hereditary dictatorship.

                                      But clearly, a lot of history has happened since then.

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                                      • K kent_eh@lemmy.ca

                                        A complete overhaul is the prerequisite for this nightmare to be over.

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                                        canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                        And that overhaul is both far away and likely to be extremely painful.

                                        I always tell Americans to just try to get out. Failing that, it’s about surviving and not making the situation even worse in the process.

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                                        • B billwashere

                                          Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.

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                                          sparky@lemmy.federate.cc
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                                          In the sense that the government and the people are misaligned? Or is this one of those “you’re united statesian, there are 30 countries in America” takes?

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