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Ontario to ban research testing on dogs and cats, premier says

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  • M masterspace@lemmy.ca

    Giving beagle puppies 3 hr heart attacks and then killing them gives science a bad name.

    If you’re going to do animal research you should be prepared to openly explain why it’s necessary.

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    gamegod@lemmy.ca
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    That’s a terrible way to do it because you and me and 99.999% of the population are not qualified to make the decision about that and understand the very difficult but ethical rationale behind it.

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    • G gamegod@lemmy.ca

      That’s a terrible way to do it because you and me and 99.999% of the population are not qualified to make the decision about that and understand the very difficult but ethical rationale behind it.

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      masterspace@lemmy.ca
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      #80

      If you can’t explain why you need to be a monster then you don’t get to be a monster.

      Slaughter house workers keep doing their job perfectly fine, there’s zero excuse for scientists to get to torture animals and then patronizingly pat the public on the hand and say ‘youre too naiive to understand’.

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      • Jerkface (any/all)J Jerkface (any/all)

        and cows and pigs and chickens

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        savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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        Cool! how do you guys suggest we do medical research? homeless people?

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        • A azi@mander.xyz

          This completely fails to address the actual gaps in scientific animal care legislation, in this case lack of oversight to make sure they actually adhered to the CCAC guidelines and a major lack of transparency. This legislation just sets back science that has good reason to use dogs as model organisms while letting abuse of other animals continue (especially non-government-funded work which has no requirement to follow CCAC rules!)

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          savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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          While this is going on, “dog lovers” are turning in pandemic dogs in record numbers to be euthanized.

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          • B binturong@lemmy.ca

            What we need is auditing and enforcement of our already comprehensive ethical restrictions on scientific research across fields. He’s using this one instance of gross negligence and misconduct to attack science in general, rather than do the proper job of enforcing the regulatory apparatus. Why is he doing this? Attention and optics to distract from his massive failures and bad ideas and investments, and also his side dealing which is getting harder and harder to ignore.

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            savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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            #83

            It’s because Ontario has among the poorest involvement in biomedical research in Canada despite having 10 universities.

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            • M melsaskca@lemmy.ca

              Testing should be limited to the researchers and owners trying to make money out of their questionable concoctions.

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              savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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              #84

              We’ll cure everything with essential oils and apple cider vinegar!

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              • N NotSteve_

                Wait I had no idea this was even allowed to begin with

                That led to an article published earlier this month that found the dogs — mostly puppies — were used for tests and killed before their internal organs were removed for further examination.

                What the fuck?

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                savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                #85

                I thought Lemmy would be a little more educated than Reddit…but nah.

                Banting and Best used dog models to develop insulin.

                Drugs don’t suddenly appear at pharmacies.

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                • B breadoven@lemmy.world

                  Pretty standard practice for animal research. Mainly mice and rats, but some types of research are better modeled by different animals.

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                  savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                  #86

                  like the discovery of insulin.

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                  • I ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca

                    What makes dogs and cats special?

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                    savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                    #87

                    People only get outraged at cute animals.

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                    • Z zephorah@discuss.online

                      In regard to some avenues of research that’s too bad. Cats are a point of study for weight gain and loss since they appear to have issues similar to us. Some cats gain and hold weight faster than their mates with similar amounts of food. Some cats compulsively overeat while their mates do not. And so on.

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                      savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                      #88

                      many human and dog genes are syntenic, they are very similar, on the same chromosomes.

                      Without dogs, Banting and Best would not have discovered insulin. That’s why the historic pictures always have Marjorie, she was not a pet.

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                      • S showroom7561@lemmy.ca

                        as he called the practice “cruel.”

                        Cool. Then we can agree that fishing, animal-based agriculture, hunting, fur farms, and puppy mills should be banned, too? Right, Doug?

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                        savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                        #89

                        or how about all those pandemic dogs now being euthanized at shelters? Record levels.

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                        • H hellsbelle@sh.itjust.works

                          Ontario has both a spring and fall bear hunt.

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                          savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                          and Doug Ford brought back penned hunting last year.

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                          • P plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works

                            Now do rabbits, mice, bats, primates and everything with a brain actually.

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                            savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                            This comment has a conflict of interest.

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                            • S showroom7561@lemmy.ca

                              Most people only view cats and dogs of having any value worth protecting, which is terrible.

                              Oh, by the way, Doug’s government also wants to make it illegal for people to know about the cruelty on factory farms.

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                              savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                              Doug brought back the blood sport of penned hunting in 2024.

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                              • P plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works

                                Willing human beings are a better choice than unwilling animals. It’s not just speciesism since I don’t think speciesism is “bad” in the sense that it is inevitable, but rather that it is questionable how much results replicate across species.

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                                savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca
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                                #93

                                it is questionable how much results replicate across species.

                                No, it is not. WTF…you think we should be inducing heart attacks in people and harvesting their organs?

                                Other people, of course.

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                                • S savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca

                                  It’s because Ontario has among the poorest involvement in biomedical research in Canada despite having 10 universities.

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                                  binturong@lemmy.ca
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                                  That’s frankly embarrassing for the most populated province, and is also a huge spotlight on the ‘leadership’ refusing to invest in the growth of the industry. I hope we make it past businessmen politicians and make it to science-based leaders.

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                                  • S savethetuahawk@lemmy.ca

                                    and Doug Ford brought back penned hunting last year.

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                                    hellsbelle@sh.itjust.works
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                                    Ugh. 😞

                                    I have zero problem with hunting for food but this is far beyond that.

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