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  • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

    Federally, only two parties have formed government. They change their names etc, but it’s pretty close to being a two party system already.

    It’s fair to say other parties have had an effect (like the NDP before the last election), but they haven’t gotten anywhere near forming government.

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    lefantome@programming.dev
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    #9

    The third party never forms a government but that does not mean it does not have an impact on national politics. See my other comment.

    A three party system is completely different than a two party system even if only two of the parties have ever held a majority.

    The NDP has been the official opposition. There are times, as in many minority governments, where the third party has more impact on national policy than the opposition does (via alliances).

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    • H henfredemars@infosec.pub

      Please do not go down the path of the US. It’s far easier for two parties to collude.

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      tempest@lemmy.ca
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      FPTP guarantees that out come so get hype. We are pretty much there now. We just need a few more cycles of left splitting before people get tired of that and then our transformation will be complete.

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      • H henfredemars@infosec.pub

        Please do not go down the path of the US. It’s far easier for two parties to collude.

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        Daniel Quinn
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        They already do.

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        • Sunshine (she/her)S Sunshine (she/her)

          Mark Carney’s liberals and Andrew Sheer’s conservatives must be pressured to support a citizen’s assembly to decide on the next electoral system that parliament must pass.

          We need to put first-past-the-post to rest.

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          Daniel Quinn
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          #12

          Why would they do that? The current system ensures that at least one of them will always be in charge, and they effectively have the same politics.

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          • Daniel QuinnD Daniel Quinn

            Why would they do that? The current system ensures that at least one of them will always be in charge, and they effectively have the same politics.

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            Sunshine (she/her)
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            Because they want to keep the support of the populace. The kiwi politicians didn’t want to pass electoral reform for years either until the public had enough of their nonsense and held steady on the issue.

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            • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

              It’s totally up to us.

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              Sunshine (she/her)
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              #14

              Absolutely the politicians serve us not the other way around.

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              • T tempest@lemmy.ca

                FPTP guarantees that out come so get hype. We are pretty much there now. We just need a few more cycles of left splitting before people get tired of that and then our transformation will be complete.

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                Sunshine (she/her)
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                #15

                Most abc do voters support proportional representation at 79%. It’s the elite politicians on the conservatives and liberals that are being the hold up, who haven’t face enough political consequences for opposing electoral reform in the first place.

                Source

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                • J jack_burton@lemmy.ca

                  Electoral reform and the NDP coming out swinging, leaning hard into social programs with a sharp and charismatic leader.

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                  Sunshine (she/her)
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                  The provincial ndp need to get with the program and pass proportional representation already in BC and Manitoba!

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                  • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

                    Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it’s extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.

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                    Guy Ingonito
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                    The left was forced to consolidate behind the liberals due to the Trump stuff. It’s just not a safe environment to split the vote right now.

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                    • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

                      Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it’s extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.

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                      mongostein@lemmy.ca
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                      I mean, we have the Bloc Québécois, which I thank Quebec for because from my POV, we would already be there if it weren’t for the stubbornness of Quebeckers

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                      • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

                        Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it’s extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.

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                        space@reddthat.com
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                        Anyone in BC looking to make this happen, you can make your opinion known to the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia here: https://consultation-portal.leg.bc.ca/consultations/43

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                        • Guy IngonitoK Guy Ingonito

                          The left was forced to consolidate behind the liberals due to the Trump stuff. It’s just not a safe environment to split the vote right now.

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                          someonesomewhere@lemmy.nz
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                          And that is why electoral reform is important; so that splitting the vote is not penalised.

                          Written from NZ who adopted MMP about 30 years ago.

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                          • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

                            Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it’s extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.

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                            teppa
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                            Maybe the NDP should stop being so foolish then. The party literally does nothing for the poor, we have a world class housing bubble and its Pierre thats beat the drum for years, then people wonder why the NDP is irrelevant as they continue to support mass immigration into a housing shortage.

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                            • S someonesomewhere@lemmy.nz

                              And that is why electoral reform is important; so that splitting the vote is not penalised.

                              Written from NZ who adopted MMP about 30 years ago.

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                              ragepaw@lemmy.ca
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                              I wish 2025 was the last time I will have had to strategically vote, but it won’t be.

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                              • M mongostein@lemmy.ca

                                I mean, we have the Bloc Québécois, which I thank Quebec for because from my POV, we would already be there if it weren’t for the stubbornness of Quebeckers

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                                Papamousse
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                                Thanks, I always vote BQ 🙂

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                                • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

                                  Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it’s extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.

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                                  wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
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                                  We wouldn’t be in this situation if the NDP had chosen a remotely popular leader.

                                  When people see and think they have no chance and won’t improve their lives the NDP gets crushed like they just did.

                                  Just like how the LPC went from potentially one of the worst election outcomes in history to a miraculous win by having Trudeau resign, the NDP could have used that exact same time to choose a new leader themselves. A Charlie Angus type (rural, working class background, outspoken and direct, and healthy honest patriotism/pride in Canada) would have been an excellent candidate to actually call in working class Canadians to the NDP fold again.

                                  And as an Ontarian, our provincial parties have been doing a terrible job campaigning against Ford, which has let them have successive majorities.

                                  It’s really not a two party situation, it’s been years of watching the federal and provincial NDP constantly fumble a d miss opportunities.

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                                  • Guy IngonitoK Guy Ingonito

                                    The left was forced to consolidate behind the liberals due to the Trump stuff. It’s just not a safe environment to split the vote right now.

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                                    wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
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                                    I would argue if the NDP played their cards better they cooks have been the one people rallied behind.

                                    But they didn’t and running Singh was a one of the worst political moves by a party in Canada in my lifetime.

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                                    • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

                                      Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it’s extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.

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                                      circav@lemmy.ca
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                                      Yes agree but the NDP have been here before (reduced), NDP voters lent their vote to the Liberals this time to block a PP govt while US is attacking us. While I acknowledge that the federal NDP is in disarray (no leader and very few federal seats) they still are the provincial govt in BC and Manitoba and form the opposition in Alberta, Nova Scotia, Ontario, and Saskatchewan. You could say that the federal cons are also in disarray, the leader without a seat, a leader who is the least popular leader in the country, who still has to survive a leadership review, and who may not survive that. We are not turning into a 2 party country actually IMO.

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                                      • W wise_pancake@lemmy.ca

                                        We wouldn’t be in this situation if the NDP had chosen a remotely popular leader.

                                        When people see and think they have no chance and won’t improve their lives the NDP gets crushed like they just did.

                                        Just like how the LPC went from potentially one of the worst election outcomes in history to a miraculous win by having Trudeau resign, the NDP could have used that exact same time to choose a new leader themselves. A Charlie Angus type (rural, working class background, outspoken and direct, and healthy honest patriotism/pride in Canada) would have been an excellent candidate to actually call in working class Canadians to the NDP fold again.

                                        And as an Ontarian, our provincial parties have been doing a terrible job campaigning against Ford, which has let them have successive majorities.

                                        It’s really not a two party situation, it’s been years of watching the federal and provincial NDP constantly fumble a d miss opportunities.

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                                        circav@lemmy.ca
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                                        Like Charlie Angus. What I wouldn’t give to have him be up against Carney and PP.

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                                        • Sunshine (she/her)S Sunshine (she/her)

                                          Most abc do voters support proportional representation at 79%. It’s the elite politicians on the conservatives and liberals that are being the hold up, who haven’t face enough political consequences for opposing electoral reform in the first place.

                                          Source

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                                          mintiefresh
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                                          This is the way!

                                          I would be so happy if we had some form of this here. And it would help us get rid of ABC style voting too, which is what tends to happen without it.

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