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  • Daniel QuinnD Daniel Quinn

    Why would they do that? The current system ensures that at least one of them will always be in charge, and they effectively have the same politics.

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    Sunshine (she/her)
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    Because they want to keep the support of the populace. The kiwi politicians didn’t want to pass electoral reform for years either until the public had enough of their nonsense and held steady on the issue.

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    • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

      It’s totally up to us.

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      Sunshine (she/her)
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      #14

      Absolutely the politicians serve us not the other way around.

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      • T tempest@lemmy.ca

        FPTP guarantees that out come so get hype. We are pretty much there now. We just need a few more cycles of left splitting before people get tired of that and then our transformation will be complete.

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        Sunshine (she/her)
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        #15

        Most abc do voters support proportional representation at 79%. It’s the elite politicians on the conservatives and liberals that are being the hold up, who haven’t face enough political consequences for opposing electoral reform in the first place.

        Source

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        • J jack_burton@lemmy.ca

          Electoral reform and the NDP coming out swinging, leaning hard into social programs with a sharp and charismatic leader.

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          Sunshine (she/her)
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          #16

          The provincial ndp need to get with the program and pass proportional representation already in BC and Manitoba!

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          • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

            Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it’s extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.

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            Guy Ingonito
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            #17

            The left was forced to consolidate behind the liberals due to the Trump stuff. It’s just not a safe environment to split the vote right now.

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            • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

              Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it’s extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.

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              mongostein@lemmy.ca
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              #18

              I mean, we have the Bloc Québécois, which I thank Quebec for because from my POV, we would already be there if it weren’t for the stubbornness of Quebeckers

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              • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

                Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it’s extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.

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                space@reddthat.com
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                #19

                Anyone in BC looking to make this happen, you can make your opinion known to the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia here: https://consultation-portal.leg.bc.ca/consultations/43

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                • Guy IngonitoK Guy Ingonito

                  The left was forced to consolidate behind the liberals due to the Trump stuff. It’s just not a safe environment to split the vote right now.

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                  someonesomewhere@lemmy.nz
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                  And that is why electoral reform is important; so that splitting the vote is not penalised.

                  Written from NZ who adopted MMP about 30 years ago.

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                  • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

                    Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it’s extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.

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                    teppa
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                    #21

                    Maybe the NDP should stop being so foolish then. The party literally does nothing for the poor, we have a world class housing bubble and its Pierre thats beat the drum for years, then people wonder why the NDP is irrelevant as they continue to support mass immigration into a housing shortage.

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                    • S someonesomewhere@lemmy.nz

                      And that is why electoral reform is important; so that splitting the vote is not penalised.

                      Written from NZ who adopted MMP about 30 years ago.

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                      ragepaw@lemmy.ca
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                      #22

                      I wish 2025 was the last time I will have had to strategically vote, but it won’t be.

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                      • M mongostein@lemmy.ca

                        I mean, we have the Bloc Québécois, which I thank Quebec for because from my POV, we would already be there if it weren’t for the stubbornness of Quebeckers

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                        Papamousse
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                        #23

                        Thanks, I always vote BQ 🙂

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                        • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

                          Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it’s extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.

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                          wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
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                          We wouldn’t be in this situation if the NDP had chosen a remotely popular leader.

                          When people see and think they have no chance and won’t improve their lives the NDP gets crushed like they just did.

                          Just like how the LPC went from potentially one of the worst election outcomes in history to a miraculous win by having Trudeau resign, the NDP could have used that exact same time to choose a new leader themselves. A Charlie Angus type (rural, working class background, outspoken and direct, and healthy honest patriotism/pride in Canada) would have been an excellent candidate to actually call in working class Canadians to the NDP fold again.

                          And as an Ontarian, our provincial parties have been doing a terrible job campaigning against Ford, which has let them have successive majorities.

                          It’s really not a two party situation, it’s been years of watching the federal and provincial NDP constantly fumble a d miss opportunities.

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                          • Guy IngonitoK Guy Ingonito

                            The left was forced to consolidate behind the liberals due to the Trump stuff. It’s just not a safe environment to split the vote right now.

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                            wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
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                            I would argue if the NDP played their cards better they cooks have been the one people rallied behind.

                            But they didn’t and running Singh was a one of the worst political moves by a party in Canada in my lifetime.

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                            • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

                              Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it’s extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.

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                              circav@lemmy.ca
                              wrote last edited by circav@lemmy.ca
                              #26

                              Yes agree but the NDP have been here before (reduced), NDP voters lent their vote to the Liberals this time to block a PP govt while US is attacking us. While I acknowledge that the federal NDP is in disarray (no leader and very few federal seats) they still are the provincial govt in BC and Manitoba and form the opposition in Alberta, Nova Scotia, Ontario, and Saskatchewan. You could say that the federal cons are also in disarray, the leader without a seat, a leader who is the least popular leader in the country, who still has to survive a leadership review, and who may not survive that. We are not turning into a 2 party country actually IMO.

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                              • W wise_pancake@lemmy.ca

                                We wouldn’t be in this situation if the NDP had chosen a remotely popular leader.

                                When people see and think they have no chance and won’t improve their lives the NDP gets crushed like they just did.

                                Just like how the LPC went from potentially one of the worst election outcomes in history to a miraculous win by having Trudeau resign, the NDP could have used that exact same time to choose a new leader themselves. A Charlie Angus type (rural, working class background, outspoken and direct, and healthy honest patriotism/pride in Canada) would have been an excellent candidate to actually call in working class Canadians to the NDP fold again.

                                And as an Ontarian, our provincial parties have been doing a terrible job campaigning against Ford, which has let them have successive majorities.

                                It’s really not a two party situation, it’s been years of watching the federal and provincial NDP constantly fumble a d miss opportunities.

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                                circav@lemmy.ca
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                                Like Charlie Angus. What I wouldn’t give to have him be up against Carney and PP.

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                                • Sunshine (she/her)S Sunshine (she/her)

                                  Most abc do voters support proportional representation at 79%. It’s the elite politicians on the conservatives and liberals that are being the hold up, who haven’t face enough political consequences for opposing electoral reform in the first place.

                                  Source

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                                  mintiefresh
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                                  This is the way!

                                  I would be so happy if we had some form of this here. And it would help us get rid of ABC style voting too, which is what tends to happen without it.

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                                  • W wise_pancake@lemmy.ca

                                    I would argue if the NDP played their cards better they cooks have been the one people rallied behind.

                                    But they didn’t and running Singh was a one of the worst political moves by a party in Canada in my lifetime.

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                                    Guy Ingonito
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                                    I feel like we owe Singh for not giving into PP’s election demands the previous October. We’d have a Conservative majority government right now with the NDP as the official opposition, which would have really saved their asses with the debt problem they currently have. He put the good of the country ahead of himself.

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                                    • W wise_pancake@lemmy.ca

                                      We wouldn’t be in this situation if the NDP had chosen a remotely popular leader.

                                      When people see and think they have no chance and won’t improve their lives the NDP gets crushed like they just did.

                                      Just like how the LPC went from potentially one of the worst election outcomes in history to a miraculous win by having Trudeau resign, the NDP could have used that exact same time to choose a new leader themselves. A Charlie Angus type (rural, working class background, outspoken and direct, and healthy honest patriotism/pride in Canada) would have been an excellent candidate to actually call in working class Canadians to the NDP fold again.

                                      And as an Ontarian, our provincial parties have been doing a terrible job campaigning against Ford, which has let them have successive majorities.

                                      It’s really not a two party situation, it’s been years of watching the federal and provincial NDP constantly fumble a d miss opportunities.

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                                      slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works
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                                      I liked Jaggers

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                                      • candid_andy@lemmy.caC candid_andy@lemmy.ca

                                        Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it’s extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.

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                                        skozzii@lemmy.ca
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                                        Trudeau screwed us, and his legacy is shit for that. I didn’t mind him as a PM overall, but he had the mandate to reform our elections and he didn’t do it - and worse he lied about it. His entire legacy is destroyed imo because of that.

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                                        • W wise_pancake@lemmy.ca

                                          We wouldn’t be in this situation if the NDP had chosen a remotely popular leader.

                                          When people see and think they have no chance and won’t improve their lives the NDP gets crushed like they just did.

                                          Just like how the LPC went from potentially one of the worst election outcomes in history to a miraculous win by having Trudeau resign, the NDP could have used that exact same time to choose a new leader themselves. A Charlie Angus type (rural, working class background, outspoken and direct, and healthy honest patriotism/pride in Canada) would have been an excellent candidate to actually call in working class Canadians to the NDP fold again.

                                          And as an Ontarian, our provincial parties have been doing a terrible job campaigning against Ford, which has let them have successive majorities.

                                          It’s really not a two party situation, it’s been years of watching the federal and provincial NDP constantly fumble a d miss opportunities.

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                                          acargitz
                                          wrote last edited by theacharnian@lemmy.ca
                                          #32

                                          The NDP’s problem is not the candidate, it’s the lack of policy alternative. We just spent 10 years on very incremental small potatoes. Sure non-universal dental and pharmacare is absolutely not nothing but these are not normal times. We need some Mamdani style policy proposals, a morally ambitious program to reform Canada.

                                          Things like:

                                          • am aggressive tax policy to curb income and wealth inequality, which is a ticking bomb for our democracy
                                          • massive increases in non-market housing to address the housing crisis
                                          • free university to expand and train our next generation of doctors and nurses
                                          • a decisive energy transition and an actual war on the fossil economy, from the wells to the pumps
                                          • a new urban strategy framed around transit and active transport
                                          • a restorative economy and actual reconciliation and land back to indigenous people
                                          • a program for opening our borders aiming to grow and renew our smaller towns and cities
                                          • a renewal of our glorious Peacekeeping tradition and a positive role in the world based on an uncompromising commitment to international law

                                          We are facing a slew of crises from the climate, to fascism, to billionaire dragons siphoning capital and throwing us into economic stagnation.

                                          If we don’t argue for our ideals, who will?

                                          The NDP needs to do its job and present a brave democratic socialist vision for Canada and start shifting the Overton window to a future where the Liberals would be the right and the Tories the minor party.

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