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'Valve does not get anywhere near enough criticism': DayZ creator Dean Hall says the 'gambling mechanics' of Valve's monetization strategy 'have absolutely no place' in videogames

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      auli@lemmy.ca
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      Yes I don’t know why they don’t get more hate over this.

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        iamthetot@sh.itjust.works
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        Gabe’s deification has always been disturbing to me. There are no good billionaires.

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          webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
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          “I agree with a lot of the people who get mad about the DLC approach. I don’t really like the Icarus approach. We needed it to survive,” he said. "I actually think a lot of gamers don’t realize that 99% of devs out there are sitting there going, ‘I don’t like this.’”

          Game devs so often get public flack for decisions outside their control i really wanted to highlight this part

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            dahgangalang@infosec.pub
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            Oh, I thought this was going to be about the trading cards they implemented in steam. Those are so lame and cheap I wasn’t bothered by this.

            For any non-readers-of-articles, this is about a loot box mechanic added to counterstrike (which is fair criticism imho)

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              ah yes dean “jump the ship” hall who fucked off dayz development when it released very half baked which almost killed the games future

              screw lootboxes too

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              • A auli@lemmy.ca

                Yes I don’t know why they don’t get more hate over this.

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                poke@sh.itjust.works
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                From my perspective its because they’re still somehow not even among the worst. Their only way of advertising their gambling is by giving the player a crate. This crate can be opened for $2.50, or sold on the marketplace to someone else who wants to open it. This money can be spent on buying real games.

                In cod, you get full screen advertisements on the regular for $10+ skin bundles. In almost every game as a service you get progress in a battle pass that ALWAYS directly contrasts your usually untradeable rewards with what you could be getting if you paid this month’s subscription fee.

                Valve does have a scummy system, but they make it less annoying and if you choose to not participate you usually benefit with real funds to use on steam. Its hard to hate that over the aggressive advertising of its competitors.

                All IMO, though. I’m no psychologist.

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                • A auli@lemmy.ca

                  Yes I don’t know why they don’t get more hate over this.

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                  bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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                  I don’t want to defend them too much but honestly out of all the loot boxes out there theirs is the least bad. You can even just sell the boxes you get for free by playing and buy shit (on Steam) with the money.

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                    digredior@lemmynsfw.com
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                    I was going to say… I literally had zero clue what the hell they were talking about. So Valve implemented a crappy moneymaking mechanism in one of their various games that can actually be used to leveraged to purchase games on Steam…

                    I may start playing Counter Strike again just to sell loot boxes to other people and make my games cheaper.

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                      “I agree with a lot of the people who get mad about the DLC approach. I don’t really like the Icarus approach. We needed it to survive,” he said. "I actually think a lot of gamers don’t realize that 99% of devs out there are sitting there going, ‘I don’t like this.’”

                      Game devs so often get public flack for decisions outside their control i really wanted to highlight this part

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                      jqubed@lemmy.world
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                      Flack? Giving someone some slack is giving them a break. Giving someone flack is giving them a hard time. If something’s outside someone’s control, giving them slack about it is a kind thing but giving them flack would be unfair.

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                      • bdonvr@thelemmy.clubB bdonvr@thelemmy.club

                        I don’t want to defend them too much but honestly out of all the loot boxes out there theirs is the least bad. You can even just sell the boxes you get for free by playing and buy shit (on Steam) with the money.

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                        zerohora@lemmy.ml
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                        This, I bought a Triple A title once with money from drops without never interacting with this shit. I would play anyway but I got “paid” while playing. It’s a marketing tactic and we need to be aware of this, some people will see the opportunity to “make money” playing and will invest a shit ton of cash to maybe drop a rare item but if you don’t do that you just getting a little bit of money to buy games with.

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                        • A auli@lemmy.ca

                          Yes I don’t know why they don’t get more hate over this.

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                          the_q@lemmy.zip
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                          Cause Gaben. He’s your cool buddy uncle guy that’s into video games, hunting and sous dive and not another billionaire. He’s a cool good billionaire! His yacht is a cool yacht!

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                          • I iamthetot@sh.itjust.works

                            Gabe’s deification has always been disturbing to me. There are no good billionaires.

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                            Kronusdark
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                            I definitely don’t deify him but it does help that he’s not taking his billions to try to weaken democracy… at least that we are aware of.

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                            • A auli@lemmy.ca

                              Yes I don’t know why they don’t get more hate over this.

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                              ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                              Brand and billionaire loyalty.

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                                I don’t want to defend them too much but honestly out of all the loot boxes out there theirs is the least bad. You can even just sell the boxes you get for free by playing and buy shit (on Steam) with the money.

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                                ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca
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                                Selling is the problem, it makes it actual gambling.

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                                • jqubed@lemmy.worldJ jqubed@lemmy.world

                                  Flack? Giving someone some slack is giving them a break. Giving someone flack is giving them a hard time. If something’s outside someone’s control, giving them slack about it is a kind thing but giving them flack would be unfair.

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                                  webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
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                                  Oh sure, brainfog on my part

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                                  • A auli@lemmy.ca

                                    Yes I don’t know why they don’t get more hate over this.

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                                    markz@suppo.fi
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                                    For most people it’s harder to hate Valve with the positive things they do. Obviously they shouldn’t get a pass for this, but forming a conflicted opinion seems to be against human nature.

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                                    • I ilikeboobies@lemmy.ca

                                      Selling is the problem, it makes it actual gambling.

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                                      No, being able to find items for free and sell them is not the problem or what makes it gambling

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                                      • T the_q@lemmy.zip

                                        Cause Gaben. He’s your cool buddy uncle guy that’s into video games, hunting and sous dive and not another billionaire. He’s a cool good billionaire! His yacht is a cool yacht!

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                                        whoever loves Digit
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                                        This is half true at least. It’s not just insane nonsense.

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                                          Someone get ja rule on the phone

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