Opposing the bills in court is fine, but expecting $100,000,000 in “damages” for the bills simply passing is absurd and unsupportable.

The government could instead fast-track green energy projects and tech investment, arts, or education for sustained, long term growth, but nooooooo, they’d rather rape the land.

Abolish the Indian act. And stop acting like indigenous people know something others don’t about managing lands.

Humans are garbage it doesn’t matter what fuckin family we belong to.

Oil makes up a large portion of our current account surplus, nobody is paying us to build ourselves windmills.

Here’s an example where they did.

Crazy thought, why don’t the people all collectively pay a portion of what they make, and they use that money to build infrastructure and energy projects? We can call it takes, because it takes all of us to fund. Yeah…

Go figure, Indigenous peoples are just as greedy as any other group when it comes to things like money. All too human…

What they make requires exporting generally to pay for their imports. What would you suggest they produce that could supplant oil?

People all over the world did these things before capitalism and colonization ruined the old ways. Were not special man, just people.

Abolish the Indian act.

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.

This is how bringing a lawsuit works. You need to quantify the “harm” and the amount here is to signify the scale of the harm to the court, not to seek this amount. The lawsuit uses this 100 million amount because of precedent, according to the article, which means similar cases specified similar amounts.

However what they’re asking for is the injunction, not damages; there’s unlikely to be any amount paid. Even there was an awarded amount this would be like a highball offer to start a haggling process, not a final selling price.

The USA already buys a lot of electricity off of Canada so if we massively invest in green energy we could export the electricity to the USA. Given their current trade attitude the better plan would be invest in manufacturing our own green infrastructure and then export that stuff like windmill blades.

Also if Canada is serious about replacing all our cars with EVs but still won’t build any transit, we are going to need A LOT more electricty for ourselves.

The First Nations are asking court to strike down the laws, require the federal and provincial governments to make a series of declarations about how they were passed without respect to First Nations or the constitution, and pay $100 million in damages to the communities.

If they don’t ask for damages the implication is that there’s no damage that needs restitution so no action is necessary from the courts to address the zero harm.

“And so, we simply applied precedent. There’s no magic in the dollar amount. It’s a substantial amount because the breach in this case is substantial …”

Villify these folk however you want but they’re the only thing standing between us and Canada cranking up the climate crisis. I support them 100%>>

If they don’t ask for damages the implication is that there’s no damage that needs restitution so no action is necessary from the courts to address the zero harm.

Reasonable people understand that damage must be caused before restitution, and as you pointed out there is currently zero harm done and a small representation of the Indigenous population in Ontario is trying to sue for 100 million for the bills simply being passed.

“how they were passed without respect to First Nations” is answered simply by “That is how our Government works. Your opinion is heard at election time and the Government does not need to consult you on each individual bill and you don’t get to sue over any of it without damage being caused.”

As I said, I support protesting and challenging the bills in higher courts. But suing for damages when no damage has been caused to create “Sort of a penalty, if you will, on the Crown for failure to act honourably,” is absolutely absurd.

There is a reason why only 9 groups signed on.

Villify these folk however you want but they’re the only thing standing between us and Canada cranking up the climate crisis. I support them 100%>>

I am not vilifying anyone. I am pointing out that this is an unsupportable case and gave my reasons why. You are free to challenge my points, and hopefully explain how a case with zero damages shouldn’t be immediately thrown out of court.

Because what they want is an injunction against a law that has vague limits + goals and a clear path to violating treaty obligations. Carney didn’t run with this in the platform, no Canadians were consulted on this.

The harm of failing to consult on such a rushed piece of legislation is the harm. Just think what PP would do with these powers? Even if we believe Carney will act honouably, this legislation opens the door to all sorts of damage in the name of “projects of national interest” for all federal gov’t’s to come.

Carney didn’t run with this in the platform, no Canadians were consulted on this.

Carney absolutely ran on a platform of Canadian industry independence, and building infrastructure to that end as quickly as possible. If anyone didn’t see a bill like C-5 coming as a means to that end, one was not paying attention.

The harm of failing to consult on such a rushed piece of legislation is the harm.

Then I would argue that no harm was caused because bills pass regularly without further consultation from the public. This happens because we elect people to draft, vote on, and pass legislation.

Just think what PP would do with these powers?

Even if we believe Carney will act honouably, this legislation opens the door to all sorts of damage in the name of “projects of national interest” for all federal gov’t’s to come.

Fear mongering helps no one, and is not a valid argument against the legislation.

The Tribes bringing this ridiculous lawsuit to the courts is a waste of time and resources as no damage has been caused by the passing of this bill, and it is absolutely insulting to the idea of truth and reconciliation that they demand $100 million for not asking to pass the bill first to “set an example”.

If they do not like how the Canadian Government is doing things they have a legal right to self determination and Governance.