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  • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

    Me too - people are pissed. We do not capitulate to fash. Poland and Austria did and Germany still invaded them.

    I’m curious to hear Charlie Angus’s response to this capitulation.

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    jumi@lemmy.world
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    Just a sidenote, Austria was as much victim as it was perpetrator under the nazi regime.

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    • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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      Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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      mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca
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      Out of curiousity, how many workers should lose their jobs to appease your sense of righteousness?

      A trade negotiation is not the same as bowing to fascism.

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      • M mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca

        Out of curiousity, how many workers should lose their jobs to appease your sense of righteousness?

        A trade negotiation is not the same as bowing to fascism.

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        landedgentry@lemmy.zip
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        If the reason for doing the wrong thing is “the jobs” then you need to rethink your reasoning.

        Trump can’t be trusted. Canada did negotiate a new deal first admin, only for Trump to come screaming again saying it was terrible and demanding a new one. It’s bad policy to concede to the US right now.

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        • L landedgentry@lemmy.zip

          If the reason for doing the wrong thing is “the jobs” then you need to rethink your reasoning.

          Trump can’t be trusted. Canada did negotiate a new deal first admin, only for Trump to come screaming again saying it was terrible and demanding a new one. It’s bad policy to concede to the US right now.

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          mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca
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          It’s a trade negotiation, it’s literally all about the jobs.

          I get that you aren’t affected but thousands are.

          By your logic, we should just not do anything with our largest trading partner and I dunno, just wait for almost half a decade until we like the administration?

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          • M mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca

            It’s a trade negotiation, it’s literally all about the jobs.

            I get that you aren’t affected but thousands are.

            By your logic, we should just not do anything with our largest trading partner and I dunno, just wait for almost half a decade until we like the administration?

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            landedgentry@lemmy.zip
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            I get that you aren’t affected but thousands are.

            I don’t know where on earth you got the idea that this doesn’t impact me.

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            • M mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca

              Out of curiousity, how many workers should lose their jobs to appease your sense of righteousness?

              A trade negotiation is not the same as bowing to fascism.

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              circav@lemmy.ca
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              Uhhhh in case you didn’t notice - when Amazon in QC unionized, Amazon pulled out of Quebec. We don’t need US digital services, it’s one of the easiest things we can replace. Might be a headache for some workplaces to get off Microsoft, SharePoint, or azure but ultimately - it’s not that hard. IT can do it. We have server farms and digital services in Canada. It’s easy to replace as opposed to say, re-tooling a car factory.

              Do you really need Facebook, X, Apple, Netflix, Disney+ shitmaganda!? Or can you grab what you want from Crave or the high Cs. Our newspapers are largely already owned by US hedge fund billionaire massive global corporations - so taxing them at a minuscule rate is nothing to them. And they are free to fuck off doing business in our country if they don’t like the DST. This was a cowardly and weak capitulation on the part of Carney - unless we are infact joining the EU and OECD on a digital service tax as part of a bloc of countries (which could track).

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              But right now, we don’t know - so am skeptical about what Carney just gave up.

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              • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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                Canadians upset Carney caved to Trump over digital services tax

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                Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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                corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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                Always remember who we voted against. We would need special instruments to measure how quickly Polyestre would have caved.

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                • C corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca

                  Always remember who we voted against. We would need special instruments to measure how quickly Polyestre would have caved.

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                  circav@lemmy.ca
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                  Yeah I know. PP is a Trump fluffer to the ultimate. He would have been an unmitigated catastrophe and it troubles me how close that fuckwhit came. And how he continues to try to remain. But unless Carney shows tangible results (which includes NOT capitulation to fash), his term as PM will be one and done.

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                  • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                    Canada’s implementation is different from other countries’:

                    • It’s retroactive to 2022 - so the corps in question would have to drop a big payout in the first year.
                    • It’s slightly higher than the UK tax that the yanks didn’t call out. (3% vs. 2%)

                    I don’t know if I would call it stupid, but that retroactive thing seems odd. I don’t know much about corporate tax law, so maybe that’s a thing? I dunno.

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                    karlhungus@lemmy.ca
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                    I don’t get the hate, it seems like about time these ultra rich companies paid some taxes?

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                    • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

                      Already sent an email to my MP, at least it’s something.

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                      reannlegge@lemmy.ca
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                      I would send an email to my MP but he is a do nothing back bencher who will take credit for Carney’s failures.

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                      • K karlhungus@lemmy.ca

                        I don’t get the hate, it seems like about time these ultra rich companies paid some taxes?

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                        sbv@sh.itjust.works
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                        I think the companies are the only ones who hate the DST. That and their puppet politicians.

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                        • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

                          Yeah I know. PP is a Trump fluffer to the ultimate. He would have been an unmitigated catastrophe and it troubles me how close that fuckwhit came. And how he continues to try to remain. But unless Carney shows tangible results (which includes NOT capitulation to fash), his term as PM will be one and done.

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                          trakata
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                          Our choice was Nazi’s or standard conservatives disguised as liberals who are still just monarchists and kowtow to strongmen fantasies.

                          Either way we’re bound to regress.

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                          • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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                            Canadians upset Carney caved to Trump over digital services tax

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                            Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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                            peppycito@sh.itjust.works
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                            I always think of this song every time I hear ‘elbows up’.

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                            • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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                              Canadians upset Carney caved to Trump over digital services tax

                              Less than 48 hours before Canada Day and in the face of annexation threats from the White House, the federal government dropped a bombshell.

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                              CityNews Vancouver (vancouver.citynews.ca)

                              Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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                              Daniel Quinn
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                              Why would the Conservatives bring this government down, when it’s doing everything they want and taking the blame?

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                              • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                                I think the companies are the only ones who hate the DST. That and their puppet politicians.

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                                karlhungus@lemmy.ca
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                                the parent of this thread thinks it’s stupid, and got up voted but like zero explanation. Looking at their post history they don’t seem like a bot

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                                • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

                                  Already sent an email to my MP, at least it’s something.

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                                  walktheplank@lemmy.world
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                                  I’ve sent so many emails since all this began. I get no response. Per usual. My MP is indigenous for fuck sakes.

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                                  • Daniel QuinnD Daniel Quinn

                                    Why would the Conservatives bring this government down, when it’s doing everything they want and taking the blame?

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                                    jhex@lemmy.world
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                                    the conservatives are a joke and they wouldn’t bring the gov down as you suggest, but the Block and the NDP may and either would get my vote at this point… Carney could not have been more backstabby to the people that gave him the PM seat at this point

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                                    • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

                                      Already sent an email to my MP, at least it’s something.

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                                      jhex@lemmy.world
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                                      same and it was a nasty one

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                                      • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                                        This seems really premature. I dislike Carney’s policies for a bunch of reasons, but it’s premature to shit on him for this. We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.

                                        The last time Trump threw one of these tantrums, NAFTA morphed into USMCA without much of a hit to our economy (afaiu). If our government can repeat that success while we’re diversifying our economy away from the US then that’s a win.

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                                        jhex@lemmy.world
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                                        We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.

                                        It doesn’t matter since Trump can reneg on it at any moment as he did with the previous one

                                        What Carney did here is signal trump that he will chicken out even faster than trump does at any tartrum he throws

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                                        • L landedgentry@lemmy.zip

                                          I get that you aren’t affected but thousands are.

                                          I don’t know where on earth you got the idea that this doesn’t impact me.

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                                          mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca
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                                          The cavalier attitude is a big give away. Usually folks worried about their kids and mortgages understand the costs.

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