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  • M mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca

    Out of curiousity, how many workers should lose their jobs to appease your sense of righteousness?

    A trade negotiation is not the same as bowing to fascism.

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    circav@lemmy.ca
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    Uhhhh in case you didn’t notice - when Amazon in QC unionized, Amazon pulled out of Quebec. We don’t need US digital services, it’s one of the easiest things we can replace. Might be a headache for some workplaces to get off Microsoft, SharePoint, or azure but ultimately - it’s not that hard. IT can do it. We have server farms and digital services in Canada. It’s easy to replace as opposed to say, re-tooling a car factory.

    Do you really need Facebook, X, Apple, Netflix, Disney+ shitmaganda!? Or can you grab what you want from Crave or the high Cs. Our newspapers are largely already owned by US hedge fund billionaire massive global corporations - so taxing them at a minuscule rate is nothing to them. And they are free to fuck off doing business in our country if they don’t like the DST. This was a cowardly and weak capitulation on the part of Carney - unless we are infact joining the EU and OECD on a digital service tax as part of a bloc of countries (which could track).

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    But right now, we don’t know - so am skeptical about what Carney just gave up.

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    • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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      Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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      corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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      Always remember who we voted against. We would need special instruments to measure how quickly Polyestre would have caved.

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      • C corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca

        Always remember who we voted against. We would need special instruments to measure how quickly Polyestre would have caved.

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        circav@lemmy.ca
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        #22

        Yeah I know. PP is a Trump fluffer to the ultimate. He would have been an unmitigated catastrophe and it troubles me how close that fuckwhit came. And how he continues to try to remain. But unless Carney shows tangible results (which includes NOT capitulation to fash), his term as PM will be one and done.

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        • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

          Canada’s implementation is different from other countries’:

          • It’s retroactive to 2022 - so the corps in question would have to drop a big payout in the first year.
          • It’s slightly higher than the UK tax that the yanks didn’t call out. (3% vs. 2%)

          I don’t know if I would call it stupid, but that retroactive thing seems odd. I don’t know much about corporate tax law, so maybe that’s a thing? I dunno.

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          karlhungus@lemmy.ca
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          I don’t get the hate, it seems like about time these ultra rich companies paid some taxes?

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          • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

            Already sent an email to my MP, at least it’s something.

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            reannlegge@lemmy.ca
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            #24

            I would send an email to my MP but he is a do nothing back bencher who will take credit for Carney’s failures.

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            • K karlhungus@lemmy.ca

              I don’t get the hate, it seems like about time these ultra rich companies paid some taxes?

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              sbv@sh.itjust.works
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              I think the companies are the only ones who hate the DST. That and their puppet politicians.

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              • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

                Yeah I know. PP is a Trump fluffer to the ultimate. He would have been an unmitigated catastrophe and it troubles me how close that fuckwhit came. And how he continues to try to remain. But unless Carney shows tangible results (which includes NOT capitulation to fash), his term as PM will be one and done.

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                trakata
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                Our choice was Nazi’s or standard conservatives disguised as liberals who are still just monarchists and kowtow to strongmen fantasies.

                Either way we’re bound to regress.

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                • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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                  CityNews Vancouver (vancouver.citynews.ca)

                  Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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                  peppycito@sh.itjust.works
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                  I always think of this song every time I hear ‘elbows up’.

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                  • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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                    Canadians upset Carney caved to Trump over digital services tax

                    Less than 48 hours before Canada Day and in the face of annexation threats from the White House, the federal government dropped a bombshell.

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                    CityNews Vancouver (vancouver.citynews.ca)

                    Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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                    Daniel Quinn
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                    Why would the Conservatives bring this government down, when it’s doing everything they want and taking the blame?

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                    • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                      I think the companies are the only ones who hate the DST. That and their puppet politicians.

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                      karlhungus@lemmy.ca
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                      the parent of this thread thinks it’s stupid, and got up voted but like zero explanation. Looking at their post history they don’t seem like a bot

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                      • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

                        Already sent an email to my MP, at least it’s something.

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                        walktheplank@lemmy.world
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                        #30

                        I’ve sent so many emails since all this began. I get no response. Per usual. My MP is indigenous for fuck sakes.

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                        • Daniel QuinnD Daniel Quinn

                          Why would the Conservatives bring this government down, when it’s doing everything they want and taking the blame?

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                          jhex@lemmy.world
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                          #31

                          the conservatives are a joke and they wouldn’t bring the gov down as you suggest, but the Block and the NDP may and either would get my vote at this point… Carney could not have been more backstabby to the people that gave him the PM seat at this point

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                          • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

                            Already sent an email to my MP, at least it’s something.

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                            jhex@lemmy.world
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                            same and it was a nasty one

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                            • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

                              This seems really premature. I dislike Carney’s policies for a bunch of reasons, but it’s premature to shit on him for this. We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.

                              The last time Trump threw one of these tantrums, NAFTA morphed into USMCA without much of a hit to our economy (afaiu). If our government can repeat that success while we’re diversifying our economy away from the US then that’s a win.

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                              jhex@lemmy.world
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                              We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.

                              It doesn’t matter since Trump can reneg on it at any moment as he did with the previous one

                              What Carney did here is signal trump that he will chicken out even faster than trump does at any tartrum he throws

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                              • L landedgentry@lemmy.zip

                                I get that you aren’t affected but thousands are.

                                I don’t know where on earth you got the idea that this doesn’t impact me.

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                                mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca
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                                The cavalier attitude is a big give away. Usually folks worried about their kids and mortgages understand the costs.

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                                • R reannlegge@lemmy.ca

                                  I would send an email to my MP but he is a do nothing back bencher who will take credit for Carney’s failures.

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                                  unbanshee@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                  Mine’s a cabinet minister 🤢

                                  Like I’m emailing anyway but it’s gonna be swiftly ignored.

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                                  • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

                                    Uhhhh in case you didn’t notice - when Amazon in QC unionized, Amazon pulled out of Quebec. We don’t need US digital services, it’s one of the easiest things we can replace. Might be a headache for some workplaces to get off Microsoft, SharePoint, or azure but ultimately - it’s not that hard. IT can do it. We have server farms and digital services in Canada. It’s easy to replace as opposed to say, re-tooling a car factory.

                                    Do you really need Facebook, X, Apple, Netflix, Disney+ shitmaganda!? Or can you grab what you want from Crave or the high Cs. Our newspapers are largely already owned by US hedge fund billionaire massive global corporations - so taxing them at a minuscule rate is nothing to them. And they are free to fuck off doing business in our country if they don’t like the DST. This was a cowardly and weak capitulation on the part of Carney - unless we are infact joining the EU and OECD on a digital service tax as part of a bloc of countries (which could track).

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                                    But right now, we don’t know - so am skeptical about what Carney just gave up.

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                                    mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca
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                                    Lol, A) it’s pretty clear you have no idea what the DST is and what it does.

                                    B) Jesus lord, for most offices, converting off Microsoft would be an insane task and a huge IT cost.

                                    I know Lemmy skews young but this is nonsensical.

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                                      Canadians upset Carney caved to Trump over digital services tax

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                                      CityNews Vancouver (vancouver.citynews.ca)

                                      Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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                                      arankays@lemmy.ca
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                                      I can’t believe Carney was a spineless liberal moron all along! Who knew?

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                                      • U unbanshee@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                        Mine’s a cabinet minister 🤢

                                        Like I’m emailing anyway but it’s gonna be swiftly ignored.

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                                        reannlegge@lemmy.ca
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                                        #38

                                        Maybe I will email mine then if you know nothing is going to happen? Brad Reddicop is a joke and a conservative.

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                                        • M mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca

                                          Lol, A) it’s pretty clear you have no idea what the DST is and what it does.

                                          B) Jesus lord, for most offices, converting off Microsoft would be an insane task and a huge IT cost.

                                          I know Lemmy skews young but this is nonsensical.

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                                          funkajunk
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                                          #39

                                          Yeah, as someone who works in Enterprise environments, I don’t understand where this attitude that it would be easy is coming from.

                                          Fully migrating off those services could take years for some organizations, just like it took years to get them to the level of functionality and interconnectivity they are at today.

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