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  • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

    I think the companies are the only ones who hate the DST. That and their puppet politicians.

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    karlhungus@lemmy.ca
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    the parent of this thread thinks it’s stupid, and got up voted but like zero explanation. Looking at their post history they don’t seem like a bot

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    • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

      Already sent an email to my MP, at least it’s something.

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      walktheplank@lemmy.world
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      I’ve sent so many emails since all this began. I get no response. Per usual. My MP is indigenous for fuck sakes.

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      • Daniel QuinnD Daniel Quinn

        Why would the Conservatives bring this government down, when it’s doing everything they want and taking the blame?

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        jhex@lemmy.world
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        the conservatives are a joke and they wouldn’t bring the gov down as you suggest, but the Block and the NDP may and either would get my vote at this point… Carney could not have been more backstabby to the people that gave him the PM seat at this point

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        • B but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world

          Already sent an email to my MP, at least it’s something.

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          jhex@lemmy.world
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          same and it was a nasty one

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          • S sbv@sh.itjust.works

            This seems really premature. I dislike Carney’s policies for a bunch of reasons, but it’s premature to shit on him for this. We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.

            The last time Trump threw one of these tantrums, NAFTA morphed into USMCA without much of a hit to our economy (afaiu). If our government can repeat that success while we’re diversifying our economy away from the US then that’s a win.

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            jhex@lemmy.world
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            We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.

            It doesn’t matter since Trump can reneg on it at any moment as he did with the previous one

            What Carney did here is signal trump that he will chicken out even faster than trump does at any tartrum he throws

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            • L landedgentry@lemmy.zip

              I get that you aren’t affected but thousands are.

              I don’t know where on earth you got the idea that this doesn’t impact me.

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              mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca
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              The cavalier attitude is a big give away. Usually folks worried about their kids and mortgages understand the costs.

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              • R reannlegge@lemmy.ca

                I would send an email to my MP but he is a do nothing back bencher who will take credit for Carney’s failures.

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                unbanshee@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                Mine’s a cabinet minister 🤢

                Like I’m emailing anyway but it’s gonna be swiftly ignored.

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                • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

                  Uhhhh in case you didn’t notice - when Amazon in QC unionized, Amazon pulled out of Quebec. We don’t need US digital services, it’s one of the easiest things we can replace. Might be a headache for some workplaces to get off Microsoft, SharePoint, or azure but ultimately - it’s not that hard. IT can do it. We have server farms and digital services in Canada. It’s easy to replace as opposed to say, re-tooling a car factory.

                  Do you really need Facebook, X, Apple, Netflix, Disney+ shitmaganda!? Or can you grab what you want from Crave or the high Cs. Our newspapers are largely already owned by US hedge fund billionaire massive global corporations - so taxing them at a minuscule rate is nothing to them. And they are free to fuck off doing business in our country if they don’t like the DST. This was a cowardly and weak capitulation on the part of Carney - unless we are infact joining the EU and OECD on a digital service tax as part of a bloc of countries (which could track).

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                  But right now, we don’t know - so am skeptical about what Carney just gave up.

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                  mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca
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                  Lol, A) it’s pretty clear you have no idea what the DST is and what it does.

                  B) Jesus lord, for most offices, converting off Microsoft would be an insane task and a huge IT cost.

                  I know Lemmy skews young but this is nonsensical.

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                  • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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                    Less than 48 hours before Canada Day and in the face of annexation threats from the White House, the federal government dropped a bombshell.

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                    Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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                    arankays@lemmy.ca
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                    #37

                    I can’t believe Carney was a spineless liberal moron all along! Who knew?

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                    • U unbanshee@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                      Mine’s a cabinet minister 🤢

                      Like I’m emailing anyway but it’s gonna be swiftly ignored.

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                      reannlegge@lemmy.ca
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                      Maybe I will email mine then if you know nothing is going to happen? Brad Reddicop is a joke and a conservative.

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                      • M mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca

                        Lol, A) it’s pretty clear you have no idea what the DST is and what it does.

                        B) Jesus lord, for most offices, converting off Microsoft would be an insane task and a huge IT cost.

                        I know Lemmy skews young but this is nonsensical.

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                        funkajunk
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                        Yeah, as someone who works in Enterprise environments, I don’t understand where this attitude that it would be easy is coming from.

                        Fully migrating off those services could take years for some organizations, just like it took years to get them to the level of functionality and interconnectivity they are at today.

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                        • K karlhungus@lemmy.ca

                          Why is dst stupid?

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                          oderus@lemmy.world
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                          The percentage seemed arbitrary and it being retroactive seemed excessive and unnecessary. We depend on US content so much you couldn’t possibly function on the internet without it. It’ll force the US to limit services so we’ll be forced to use Chinese or European services and for what benefit? I use an adblocker and pirate most my stuff so no one is making money off me.

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                          • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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                            Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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                            9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works
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                            #41

                            Carney
                            Always
                            Chickens
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                            • oderus@lemmy.worldO oderus@lemmy.world

                              The percentage seemed arbitrary and it being retroactive seemed excessive and unnecessary. We depend on US content so much you couldn’t possibly function on the internet without it. It’ll force the US to limit services so we’ll be forced to use Chinese or European services and for what benefit? I use an adblocker and pirate most my stuff so no one is making money off me.

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                              karlhungus@lemmy.ca
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                              The percentage seemed arbitrary and it being retroactive seemed excessive and unnecessary.

                              What?! 3% We pay 8.79% on our income here. Three seems low.

                              I feel like no facebook in canada would be a net positive, especially after reading “Carless people”. I don’t even think that would happen, it’s not like these companies can’t afford it, they just don’t want to set a precedent, and they spent all that money on trump!

                              I use an adblocker and pirate most my stuff so no one is making money off me.

                              You never use Amazon? I also use an adblocker and a pihole i think i see relatively fewer ads, i still see them.

                              The one negative i can think of coming out of this is the companies passing the tax on to us, i suspect that wouldn’t happen.

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                              • M mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca

                                The cavalier attitude is a big give away. Usually folks worried about their kids and mortgages understand the costs.

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                                landedgentry@lemmy.zip
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                                And you would know because you are also impacted?

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                                • L landedgentry@lemmy.zip

                                  And you would know because you are also impacted?

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                                  mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca
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                                  No, I guess being well read and having empathy kind of allow me to consider how things affect other Canadians who are not me?

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                                  • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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                                    Less than 48 hours before Canada Day and in the face of annexation threats from the White House, the federal government dropped a bombshell.

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                                    Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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                                    canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                    Yep, I’m slightly upset. Does he actually think something worthwhile is going to come out of the negotiations?

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                                    • F funkajunk

                                      Yeah, as someone who works in Enterprise environments, I don’t understand where this attitude that it would be easy is coming from.

                                      Fully migrating off those services could take years for some organizations, just like it took years to get them to the level of functionality and interconnectivity they are at today.

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                                      mybrainhurts@lemmy.ca
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                                      The attitude is coming from wishful thinking untempered by knowledge or experience.

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                                      • circav@lemmy.caC circav@lemmy.ca

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                                        Less than 48 hours before Canada Day and in the face of annexation threats from the White House, the federal government dropped a bombshell.

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                                        Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.

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                                        lazylion_ca@lemmy.ca
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                                        Y’all are remembering that it’s us Canadians that will be paying this tax, right? It’s not going to affect any company’s bottom line in the slightest.

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                                        • J jumi@lemmy.world

                                          Just a sidenote, Austria was as much victim as it was perpetrator under the nazi regime.

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                                          neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works
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                                          Sure, after they were a perpetrator and supported them for literally the entire war, they fell victim. Just like Russia, etc.

                                          You don’t get to side with Nazi’s/fascists even once, and then claim victim-hood.

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