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Liberals introduce bill proposing sweeping border security powers

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  • S showroom7561@lemmy.ca

    Very, very different scope:

    “We need to ensure Canada’s law enforcement is equipped with the tools they need to stay ahead of organized crime groups and crack down on their illicit activities.”

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    jillyb@beehaw.org
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    That’s exactly the justification Trump made to start unleashing ICE

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    • S showroom7561@lemmy.ca

      We are better than that. At least, I hope and trust that we are.

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      pyroneurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Hope and trust will only take you as far as your politicians are willing to play along. Trump happened to the United States, but demagogues with great aspirations and a willingness to bend rules to (and beyond) the breaking point are by no means unique to them.

      Which is to say: make it legally binding instead of relying on the goodwill of politicians.

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      • P pyroneurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone

        Hope and trust will only take you as far as your politicians are willing to play along. Trump happened to the United States, but demagogues with great aspirations and a willingness to bend rules to (and beyond) the breaking point are by no means unique to them.

        Which is to say: make it legally binding instead of relying on the goodwill of politicians.

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        showroom7561@lemmy.ca
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        #27

        Trump happened to the United States

        I would argue that Americans knew for decades that he was a piece of shit. Why they continued to vote for him is something for psychology professors to explain.

        I hope that Canada never becomes that ignorant, and my worry for the future isn’t really with our politicians, but more with our shifts as individuals.

        Where I live, we’ve got a resurgence of violence towards visible minorities, and racist graffiti going up in public places (libraries, etc.). My concern is that a growing number of bad people will vote for bad politicians, not that good people will vote for bad politicians.

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        • D dragontypewyvern@midwest.social

          The banker will save us from fascism guys you’re going to have hold your noses and wipe out the third parties!

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          canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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          #28

          I mean, PP wouldn’t be better, and you know damn well a third party government wasn’t an option.

          Unfortunately, most voters just don’t see things our way.

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          • Em AdespotonA Em Adespoton

            This is essential to maintaining the safety and security of our country … it is also a priority that we share with our neighbours.

            Am I the only one who finds this statement deeply troubling?

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            canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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            There’s a lot of sucking up to Trump going on. One hopes that it’s strategic and the elbows up stuff was genuine, not the other way around.

            Time will tell. I lean towards the good option right now because Carney doesn’t seem dumb enough to not recognise a bad deal.

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            • S shaggysnacks@lemmy.myserv.one

              ICE deporting people

              Canada “Hold my beer”.

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              canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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              #30

              As far as I can tell this doesn’t directly mean deporting people, and Carney himself seems unlikely to want to go on an immigrant purge. The devil will be in the details, though, and I worry this could be built on in the future in a way that weakens democracy.

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              • S showroom7561@lemmy.ca

                Very, very different scope:

                “We need to ensure Canada’s law enforcement is equipped with the tools they need to stay ahead of organized crime groups and crack down on their illicit activities.”

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                canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                Pretty true point, bad argument (as others have pointed out).

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                • recklessengagement@lemmy.worldR recklessengagement@lemmy.world

                  Anything that’s capable of detecting drones would get hella false positives from birds/bikes/cars/people. There’s a reason radar usually ignores movement under a certain altitude.

                  You could detect via radio signals, but fly-by-wire drones are already a thing, perfect for short distances, like what you’d need to move a package over a wall.

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                  canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                  #32

                  Birds might be tough, but modern radars/lidars can get smart. I doubt anything terrestrial would be a problem.

                  How much border you can cover for a given price and how well is a much different question, though.

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                  • Avid AmoebaA Avid Amoeba

                    Silver lining - sounds like something that could be used to stem the illegal gun importation from the US?

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                    canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                    #33

                    Guns, drugs, pornography, refugees, factual information contradicting or embarrasing the powerful.

                    You might see a moral difference, but it’s all the same from an enforcement perspective. It’s a thing, and you want to keep it out. The real question is how much control you trust them with.

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                    • A azi@mander.xyz

                      So not only is this significantly expanding government’s power to arbitrarily fuck with people’s immigration paperwork but this is a significant expansion of police powers in general:

                      • The Coast Guard is being turned from an emergency search and rescue service to an agency that also carries out surveillance for the police and military

                      • People convicted of sex crimes will have their personal information shared with foreign governments

                      • Police can more easily search your mail

                      • “Electronic service providers” will be banned from deleting certain user data just in case the police will want it

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                      notmyoldredditname@lemmy.world
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                      Is that electronic one about VPN logs?

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