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Mark Carney says Benjamin Netanyahu would be arrested if he came to Canada

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  • Sunshine (she/her)S Sunshine (she/her)
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    mrdown@lemmy.world
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    Why does canada still have good trade relation with Israel and lies about stopping selling arms to Israel so the war criminal use it to continue occupation? Carney is a snake

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      Is he even planning to go there, tho?

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      mrdown@lemmy.world
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      He came two times during the conservatives being in power

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      • Daniel QuinnD Daniel Quinn

        Ahh yes, agreeing to respect international law: the lowest bar of effort. How sad is it that this feels like something we must celebrate?

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        mrdown@lemmy.world
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        He isn’t respecting internstional law since he didn’t implement an both side arms embargo , no sanctions on the state of israel and deny palestinian rights to self defence

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        • Daniel QuinnD Daniel Quinn

          Ahh yes, agreeing to respect international law: the lowest bar of effort. How sad is it that this feels like something we must celebrate?

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          MyBrainHurts
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          the lowest bar of effort.

          This feels a bit disingenuous.

          We’re in the middle of trade negotiations that affect a huge swathe of jobs etc with an aggressively pro Israel leader. Considering donald’s capriciousness and willingness to punish allies for ideological disagreement, this actually feels like a bit of a ballsy statement.

          If I were on the US relations file, I’d be praying no one related this to trump etc.

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            He isn’t respecting internstional law since he didn’t implement an both side arms embargo , no sanctions on the state of israel and deny palestinian rights to self defence

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            MyBrainHurts
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            What international laws are you thinking of?

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              What international laws are you thinking of?

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              mrdown@lemmy.world
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              the Geneva and genocide conventions

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                the Geneva and genocide conventions

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                MyBrainHurts
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                Geneva applies to Israel’s conduct.

                The genocide convention underlies the icj and UN approaches etc, all of which Canada is following. (Yes, the UN is flawed but that’s the unfortunate reality of international law.)

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                • M MyBrainHurts

                  Geneva applies to Israel’s conduct.

                  The genocide convention underlies the icj and UN approaches etc, all of which Canada is following. (Yes, the UN is flawed but that’s the unfortunate reality of international law.)

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                  mrdown@lemmy.world
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                  Canada is following the geneva convention obligations?

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                    Canada is following the geneva convention obligations?

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                    MyBrainHurts
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                    Are you sure you mean the Geneva convention?

                    That’s about how countries conduct war and outlines the rights of civilians, soldiers etc.

                    I’m not sure how you get to Canada violating that?

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                      Sunshine (she/her)
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                      He says in an attempt to save face.

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                        Are you sure you mean the Geneva convention?

                        That’s about how countries conduct war and outlines the rights of civilians, soldiers etc.

                        I’m not sure how you get to Canada violating that?

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                        mrdown@lemmy.world
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                        Go educate yourself . The convention also oblige countries to not be complicit with countries who do not respect it and abuse human rights. Canada is still selling and buying military equipment’s from/to Israel and did not impose a single sanction of the state of Israel

                        The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances

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                        Article 1 of the Geneva Conventions is generally interpreted as conferring a responsibility on third party states not involved in an armed conflict to not encourage a party to an armed conflict to violate international humanitarian law, nor to take action that would assist in such violations, and to take appropriate steps to cause such violations to cease.

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                        Also there hundred of canadians serving in the idf despite canadian law prohibiting serving a foreign state army especially one with serious human right abuses

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                          freshparsnip@lemmy.ca
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                          Great but can we add Trump to the list?

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                            Go educate yourself . The convention also oblige countries to not be complicit with countries who do not respect it and abuse human rights. Canada is still selling and buying military equipment’s from/to Israel and did not impose a single sanction of the state of Israel

                            The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances

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                            Article 1 of the Geneva Conventions is generally interpreted as conferring a responsibility on third party states not involved in an armed conflict to not encourage a party to an armed conflict to violate international humanitarian law, nor to take action that would assist in such violations, and to take appropriate steps to cause such violations to cease.

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                            Also there hundred of canadians serving in the idf despite canadian law prohibiting serving a foreign state army especially one with serious human right abuses

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                            MyBrainHurts
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                            Canada, like many others has stopped selling arms.

                            The Geneva conventions do not obligate countries to march in to prevent abuses, nor have serious legal experts said that normal trade with Israel is illegal.

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                              Canada, like many others has stopped selling arms.

                              The Geneva conventions do not obligate countries to march in to prevent abuses, nor have serious legal experts said that normal trade with Israel is illegal.

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                              mrdown@lemmy.world
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                              Canada, like many others has stopped selling arms. Canada like many other countries lied about it. There is a reason why Israel is not in the official list https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/sanctions/types.aspx?lang=eng#a1

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                              I would like you to address the issue of Canadian serving under the IDF when Canadian law is prohibiting it. Why Carney or any other prime is not applying it’s own?

                              It is really frustrating for me to see people still defending the government blindly like that

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                                Great but can we add Trump to the list?

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                                Trump has a criminal record, this has been fought in the past by previous presidents, anyone with a known criminal record cannot enter Canada legally.

                                Edit: I had to fact check myself and I may be wrong here, have always been under the impression that any convicted criminal cannot enter our country.

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                                  Canada, like many others has stopped selling arms. Canada like many other countries lied about it. There is a reason why Israel is not in the official list https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/sanctions/types.aspx?lang=eng#a1

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                                  I would like you to address the issue of Canadian serving under the IDF when Canadian law is prohibiting it. Why Carney or any other prime is not applying it’s own?

                                  It is really frustrating for me to see people still defending the government blindly like that

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                                  MyBrainHurts
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                                  Canada like many other countries lied about it.

                                  https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/the-controversy-over-canadas-rules-on-military-exports-to-israel-explained/

                                  It’s much more complicated than you make it out to be, in part because unlike sanctioned countries like North Korea etc Israel is in other senses a regular trade partner.

                                  Canadian serving under the IDF

                                  Under a hundred, presumably mostly all dual citizens in another sovereign nation hardly constitutes Canadian government policy.

                                  Yes, I’d like the government to do more.

                                  But, that is different from the government not following international law.

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                                    Trump has a criminal record, this has been fought in the past by previous presidents, anyone with a known criminal record cannot enter Canada legally.

                                    Edit: I had to fact check myself and I may be wrong here, have always been under the impression that any convicted criminal cannot enter our country.

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                                    madmadbunny@lemmy.ca
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                                    But they will make very rare exceptions…

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                                      Canada like many other countries lied about it.

                                      https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/the-controversy-over-canadas-rules-on-military-exports-to-israel-explained/

                                      It’s much more complicated than you make it out to be, in part because unlike sanctioned countries like North Korea etc Israel is in other senses a regular trade partner.

                                      Canadian serving under the IDF

                                      Under a hundred, presumably mostly all dual citizens in another sovereign nation hardly constitutes Canadian government policy.

                                      Yes, I’d like the government to do more.

                                      But, that is different from the government not following international law.

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                                      mrdown@lemmy.world
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                                      It’s much more complicated than you make it out to be, in part because unlike sanctioned countries like North Korea etc Israel is in other senses a regular trade partner.

                                      Nice excuses like usual . I don’t care how complicated it is. Israel is committing serious human right abuses almost every day against Palestinians similar to North Korea. I don’t want such a terrible trade partner for Canada

                                      Under a hundred, presumably mostly all dual citizens in another sovereign nation hardly constitutes Canadian government policy.

                                      Even if it was one. Canada is not respecting it’s own laws yet you still makes dumb excuses about it .

                                      But, that is different from the government not following international law.

                                      Lying about stopping selling arms to Israel, not imposing a single sanction on Israel for genocide and settler colonialism, not condemning Israeli abuses of the Canadian activists of the flotilla show the selective care of human rights abuses.

                                      If Canada don’t want to care about it maybe it should simply drop sanctions on all the countries they have sanctions on that is not a direct and imminent threat to Canadian security itself

                                      Yes, I’d like the government to do more. With all the excuses you spew I don’t think I can believe you on that

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                                        It’s much more complicated than you make it out to be, in part because unlike sanctioned countries like North Korea etc Israel is in other senses a regular trade partner.

                                        Nice excuses like usual . I don’t care how complicated it is. Israel is committing serious human right abuses almost every day against Palestinians similar to North Korea. I don’t want such a terrible trade partner for Canada

                                        Under a hundred, presumably mostly all dual citizens in another sovereign nation hardly constitutes Canadian government policy.

                                        Even if it was one. Canada is not respecting it’s own laws yet you still makes dumb excuses about it .

                                        But, that is different from the government not following international law.

                                        Lying about stopping selling arms to Israel, not imposing a single sanction on Israel for genocide and settler colonialism, not condemning Israeli abuses of the Canadian activists of the flotilla show the selective care of human rights abuses.

                                        If Canada don’t want to care about it maybe it should simply drop sanctions on all the countries they have sanctions on that is not a direct and imminent threat to Canadian security itself

                                        Yes, I’d like the government to do more. With all the excuses you spew I don’t think I can believe you on that

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                                        MyBrainHurts
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                                        Lying about stopping selling arms to Israel, not imposing a single sanction on Israel for genocide and settler colonialism, not condemning Israeli abuses of the Canadian activists of the flotilla show the selective care of human rights abuses.

                                        We seem to be talking about different things. I am pointing out that Canada is meeting its legal obligations. You are angry Canada isn’t doing more.

                                        These are fundamentally different conversations.

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                                          Lying about stopping selling arms to Israel, not imposing a single sanction on Israel for genocide and settler colonialism, not condemning Israeli abuses of the Canadian activists of the flotilla show the selective care of human rights abuses.

                                          We seem to be talking about different things. I am pointing out that Canada is meeting its legal obligations. You are angry Canada isn’t doing more.

                                          These are fundamentally different conversations.

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                                          mrdown@lemmy.world
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                                          Providing weapons from a genocidal state is meeting it’s legal obligation? Having a law prohibiting Canadian to serve under a foreign state and not applying it is not a breach of it’s legal obligation? You are not serious at all

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