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    the Geneva and genocide conventions

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    MyBrainHurts
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    Geneva applies to Israel’s conduct.

    The genocide convention underlies the icj and UN approaches etc, all of which Canada is following. (Yes, the UN is flawed but that’s the unfortunate reality of international law.)

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      Geneva applies to Israel’s conduct.

      The genocide convention underlies the icj and UN approaches etc, all of which Canada is following. (Yes, the UN is flawed but that’s the unfortunate reality of international law.)

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      mrdown@lemmy.world
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      Canada is following the geneva convention obligations?

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        Canada is following the geneva convention obligations?

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        MyBrainHurts
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        Are you sure you mean the Geneva convention?

        That’s about how countries conduct war and outlines the rights of civilians, soldiers etc.

        I’m not sure how you get to Canada violating that?

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          Sunshine (she/her)
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          He says in an attempt to save face.

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            Are you sure you mean the Geneva convention?

            That’s about how countries conduct war and outlines the rights of civilians, soldiers etc.

            I’m not sure how you get to Canada violating that?

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            mrdown@lemmy.world
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            Go educate yourself . The convention also oblige countries to not be complicit with countries who do not respect it and abuse human rights. Canada is still selling and buying military equipment’s from/to Israel and did not impose a single sanction of the state of Israel

            The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances

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            Article 1 of the Geneva Conventions is generally interpreted as conferring a responsibility on third party states not involved in an armed conflict to not encourage a party to an armed conflict to violate international humanitarian law, nor to take action that would assist in such violations, and to take appropriate steps to cause such violations to cease.

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            Also there hundred of canadians serving in the idf despite canadian law prohibiting serving a foreign state army especially one with serious human right abuses

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              freshparsnip@lemmy.ca
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              Great but can we add Trump to the list?

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              • M mrdown@lemmy.world

                Go educate yourself . The convention also oblige countries to not be complicit with countries who do not respect it and abuse human rights. Canada is still selling and buying military equipment’s from/to Israel and did not impose a single sanction of the state of Israel

                The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances

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                Article 1 of the Geneva Conventions is generally interpreted as conferring a responsibility on third party states not involved in an armed conflict to not encourage a party to an armed conflict to violate international humanitarian law, nor to take action that would assist in such violations, and to take appropriate steps to cause such violations to cease.

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                Also there hundred of canadians serving in the idf despite canadian law prohibiting serving a foreign state army especially one with serious human right abuses

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                MyBrainHurts
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                Canada, like many others has stopped selling arms.

                The Geneva conventions do not obligate countries to march in to prevent abuses, nor have serious legal experts said that normal trade with Israel is illegal.

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                  Canada, like many others has stopped selling arms.

                  The Geneva conventions do not obligate countries to march in to prevent abuses, nor have serious legal experts said that normal trade with Israel is illegal.

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                  mrdown@lemmy.world
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                  Canada, like many others has stopped selling arms. Canada like many other countries lied about it. There is a reason why Israel is not in the official list https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/sanctions/types.aspx?lang=eng#a1

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                  The government of Canada is adamant — with certain, shifting caveats — that it has not allowed arms shipments to Israel since January 2024, and yet Israeli import data and publicly available shipping records appear to contradict that claim. 

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                  I would like you to address the issue of Canadian serving under the IDF when Canadian law is prohibiting it. Why Carney or any other prime is not applying it’s own?

                  It is really frustrating for me to see people still defending the government blindly like that

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                    Great but can we add Trump to the list?

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                    ohshit604@sh.itjust.works
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                    Trump has a criminal record, this has been fought in the past by previous presidents, anyone with a known criminal record cannot enter Canada legally.

                    Edit: I had to fact check myself and I may be wrong here, have always been under the impression that any convicted criminal cannot enter our country.

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                    • M mrdown@lemmy.world

                      Canada, like many others has stopped selling arms. Canada like many other countries lied about it. There is a reason why Israel is not in the official list https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/sanctions/types.aspx?lang=eng#a1

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                      I would like you to address the issue of Canadian serving under the IDF when Canadian law is prohibiting it. Why Carney or any other prime is not applying it’s own?

                      It is really frustrating for me to see people still defending the government blindly like that

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                      MyBrainHurts
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                      Canada like many other countries lied about it.

                      https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/the-controversy-over-canadas-rules-on-military-exports-to-israel-explained/

                      It’s much more complicated than you make it out to be, in part because unlike sanctioned countries like North Korea etc Israel is in other senses a regular trade partner.

                      Canadian serving under the IDF

                      Under a hundred, presumably mostly all dual citizens in another sovereign nation hardly constitutes Canadian government policy.

                      Yes, I’d like the government to do more.

                      But, that is different from the government not following international law.

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                        Trump has a criminal record, this has been fought in the past by previous presidents, anyone with a known criminal record cannot enter Canada legally.

                        Edit: I had to fact check myself and I may be wrong here, have always been under the impression that any convicted criminal cannot enter our country.

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                        madmadbunny@lemmy.ca
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                        But they will make very rare exceptions…

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                        • M MyBrainHurts

                          Canada like many other countries lied about it.

                          https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/the-controversy-over-canadas-rules-on-military-exports-to-israel-explained/

                          It’s much more complicated than you make it out to be, in part because unlike sanctioned countries like North Korea etc Israel is in other senses a regular trade partner.

                          Canadian serving under the IDF

                          Under a hundred, presumably mostly all dual citizens in another sovereign nation hardly constitutes Canadian government policy.

                          Yes, I’d like the government to do more.

                          But, that is different from the government not following international law.

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                          mrdown@lemmy.world
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                          It’s much more complicated than you make it out to be, in part because unlike sanctioned countries like North Korea etc Israel is in other senses a regular trade partner.

                          Nice excuses like usual . I don’t care how complicated it is. Israel is committing serious human right abuses almost every day against Palestinians similar to North Korea. I don’t want such a terrible trade partner for Canada

                          Under a hundred, presumably mostly all dual citizens in another sovereign nation hardly constitutes Canadian government policy.

                          Even if it was one. Canada is not respecting it’s own laws yet you still makes dumb excuses about it .

                          But, that is different from the government not following international law.

                          Lying about stopping selling arms to Israel, not imposing a single sanction on Israel for genocide and settler colonialism, not condemning Israeli abuses of the Canadian activists of the flotilla show the selective care of human rights abuses.

                          If Canada don’t want to care about it maybe it should simply drop sanctions on all the countries they have sanctions on that is not a direct and imminent threat to Canadian security itself

                          Yes, I’d like the government to do more. With all the excuses you spew I don’t think I can believe you on that

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                            It’s much more complicated than you make it out to be, in part because unlike sanctioned countries like North Korea etc Israel is in other senses a regular trade partner.

                            Nice excuses like usual . I don’t care how complicated it is. Israel is committing serious human right abuses almost every day against Palestinians similar to North Korea. I don’t want such a terrible trade partner for Canada

                            Under a hundred, presumably mostly all dual citizens in another sovereign nation hardly constitutes Canadian government policy.

                            Even if it was one. Canada is not respecting it’s own laws yet you still makes dumb excuses about it .

                            But, that is different from the government not following international law.

                            Lying about stopping selling arms to Israel, not imposing a single sanction on Israel for genocide and settler colonialism, not condemning Israeli abuses of the Canadian activists of the flotilla show the selective care of human rights abuses.

                            If Canada don’t want to care about it maybe it should simply drop sanctions on all the countries they have sanctions on that is not a direct and imminent threat to Canadian security itself

                            Yes, I’d like the government to do more. With all the excuses you spew I don’t think I can believe you on that

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                            Lying about stopping selling arms to Israel, not imposing a single sanction on Israel for genocide and settler colonialism, not condemning Israeli abuses of the Canadian activists of the flotilla show the selective care of human rights abuses.

                            We seem to be talking about different things. I am pointing out that Canada is meeting its legal obligations. You are angry Canada isn’t doing more.

                            These are fundamentally different conversations.

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                              Lying about stopping selling arms to Israel, not imposing a single sanction on Israel for genocide and settler colonialism, not condemning Israeli abuses of the Canadian activists of the flotilla show the selective care of human rights abuses.

                              We seem to be talking about different things. I am pointing out that Canada is meeting its legal obligations. You are angry Canada isn’t doing more.

                              These are fundamentally different conversations.

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                              mrdown@lemmy.world
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                              Providing weapons from a genocidal state is meeting it’s legal obligation? Having a law prohibiting Canadian to serve under a foreign state and not applying it is not a breach of it’s legal obligation? You are not serious at all

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                                Providing weapons from a genocidal state is meeting it’s legal obligation? Having a law prohibiting Canadian to serve under a foreign state and not applying it is not a breach of it’s legal obligation? You are not serious at all

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                                  Yeah your arguments was so weak that it is both frustrating and laughable at the same time. Frustrating because Palestinian lives are so cheap for western countries and Arab countries that collaborate with Israel and you. Funny because they are all terrible excuses

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                                    Yeah your arguments was so weak that it is both frustrating and laughable at the same time. Frustrating because Palestinian lives are so cheap for western countries and Arab countries that collaborate with Israel and you. Funny because they are all terrible excuses

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                                    Wanting the government to do more does not make its actions illegal.

                                    Read the article for an explanation on the arms sales.

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                                      Wanting the government to do more does not make its actions illegal.

                                      Read the article for an explanation on the arms sales.

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                                      mrdown@lemmy.world
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                                      I read the article. It doesn’t deny that Canada is still selling weapons to Israel . I don’t care how difficult or complex it is, selling weapons to genocidal state is being complicit about the most severe war crime ever. Canadians serving the idf when it is prohibited is also a breach of international laws and Canadian law. How hard is for you to understand such a simple logic?

                                      Hell, Canada did even ignored the selling of lands in the occupied west bank in Synagogues. Canada claim to oppose settlements while allowing that.

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                                        I read the article. It doesn’t deny that Canada is still selling weapons to Israel . I don’t care how difficult or complex it is, selling weapons to genocidal state is being complicit about the most severe war crime ever. Canadians serving the idf when it is prohibited is also a breach of international laws and Canadian law. How hard is for you to understand such a simple logic?

                                        Hell, Canada did even ignored the selling of lands in the occupied west bank in Synagogues. Canada claim to oppose settlements while allowing that.

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                                        Hell, Canada did even ignored the selling of lands in the occupied west bank in Synagogues. Canada claim to oppose settlements while allowing that.

                                        I have no idea what you are trying to say, I’m guessing you’re fairly drunk.

                                        Goodnight.

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                                          Hell, Canada did even ignored the selling of lands in the occupied west bank in Synagogues. Canada claim to oppose settlements while allowing that.

                                          I have no idea what you are trying to say, I’m guessing you’re fairly drunk.

                                          Goodnight.

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                                          mrdown@lemmy.world
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                                          I am not drunk and you have no brain

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