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Declawing cats causes them lifelong pain. It’s time to ban the practice

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  • R reluctantmuskrat@lemmy.world

    I mean historically people didn’t necessarily think of it as mutilation, even if now most people understand it to be extreme. Many cats have bad scratching habits and people don’t know to train their cats not to do so. Some will definitely trash your furniture and people looked at de-clawing as a way to stop it vs giving up the cat for adoptuon. Are all cats even trainable to not scratch? I don’t know personally.

    I’m kind of curious how banning declawing of cats influences rates of abandonment and euthanization. I had many cats when I was younger, some which were bad scratchers and got de-clawed and others which weren’t prone to it so didn’t get de-clawed. I’d like to get one now but know my wife (and I probably) won’t be able to tolerate our furniture and drapes getting tore up if I can’t train it not to, and I hate the idea of adopting one only to give it up later, so I’ll likely not get one at all. I wonder if and how many get put down simply because fewer adopt them when de-clawing is banned.

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    mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
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    Simply clipping the tips of the claws goes a long way to prevent furniture destruction, when combined with a scratching/climbing tree. Some cats like sisal but others prefer carpet on the posts. I have a routine with my present cat where she knows if she jumps to a certain place she’ll get a couple Dental Treats, but before she jumps I briefly check her front paws. If there’s a longer, sharper nail, I clip it, just the tip. Then I put up the treat. That way she never has to put up with more than one or two snips. I use a regular toenail clipper, but a big sharp quality one. And turn it because claws are taller than they are wide.

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      Like, just get a dog if you can’t handle the claws.

      Cats can retract theirs; dogs can’t. I’m not sure this would work out. Not to mention you gotta clip the dog’s every once in a while and if you do it wrong, you can hurt them.

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      frederiknjs@lemmy.zip
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      Cat’s claws are for hunting, fighting and climbing. They are extremely sharp, and can rip your skin and make you bleed without even trying.

      Dog’s claws are for traction and digging. Usually dogs claws are dull, they might still cause a big of damage to the top most layer of your skin, but they have to make an effort to draw blood. Dogs hunt and fight with their teeth instead of their claws.

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      • Otter RaftO Otter Raft

        Author: Eric Troncy | Douleur animale, bien-être animal, Université de Montréal

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        Declawing cats causes them lifelong pain. It’s time to ban the practice

        Declawing cats causes irreversible nerve damage and chronic pain. New research from Quebec concludes it should be banned.

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        seleni@lemmy.world
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        As bad as declawing can be, there is something worse: cutting the tendons so they can’t flex their claws anymore.

        I had a cat I adopted off the street that had that done, and because he couldn’t scratch things his claws had grown through the pads of his feet.

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          dragontypewyvern@midwest.social
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          Because that’s what the people doing it told us it was and kids don’t know better.

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          • Otter RaftO Otter Raft

            Author: Eric Troncy | Douleur animale, bien-être animal, Université de Montréal

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            Declawing cats causes them lifelong pain. It’s time to ban the practice

            Declawing cats causes irreversible nerve damage and chronic pain. New research from Quebec concludes it should be banned.

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            quick_snail@feddit.nl
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            How much pain do you think most cats cause others, simply for existing?

            We also need to ban non-vegan cat food

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            • Otter RaftO Otter Raft

              Author: Eric Troncy | Douleur animale, bien-être animal, Université de Montréal

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              Declawing cats causes them lifelong pain. It’s time to ban the practice

              Declawing cats causes irreversible nerve damage and chronic pain. New research from Quebec concludes it should be banned.

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              It’s illegal in Québec.

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              • Captain AggravatedC Captain Aggravated

                My Izzy is a very sweet cat, she has never scratched me. Her style is to cuddle to death.

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                greyeyedghost@lemmy.ca
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                I have two cats, littermates. One will almost never scratch you, usually happens if play gets too vigorous and he forgets. The other will lightly scratch you just to get your attention, and will dig his claws into your lap if he’s enjoying petting too much. I love them both, even when they are being pains in the ass.

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                • quick_snail@feddit.nlQ quick_snail@feddit.nl

                  How much pain do you think most cats cause others, simply for existing?

                  We also need to ban non-vegan cat food

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                  greyeyedghost@lemmy.ca
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                  Im sorry the world is uglier than you think it should be, but having that attitude and capping it off with an implication that it’s okay to cause another being lifelong pain simply because of their nature makes it pretty clear that you don’t so much want a more ethical world for other creatures as much as you don’t like cats.

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                  • quick_snail@feddit.nlQ quick_snail@feddit.nl

                    How much pain do you think most cats cause others, simply for existing?

                    We also need to ban non-vegan cat food

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                    harryoru@lemmy.zip
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                    Cats who get declawed are generally indoor cats who wouldn’t hurt anything but their owner’s furniture regardless.

                    Also cats are obligate carnivores, and you’re an asshole.

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                    • Otter RaftO Otter Raft

                      Author: Eric Troncy | Douleur animale, bien-être animal, Université de Montréal

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                      Declawing cats causes them lifelong pain. It’s time to ban the practice

                      Declawing cats causes irreversible nerve damage and chronic pain. New research from Quebec concludes it should be banned.

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                      rbwells@lemmy.world
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                      We would never consider it because we had kids and dogs and the cats needed their claws. But yes it should be banned. We don’t declaw dogs.

                      I wish we’d trained them to sit still to have them trimmed, as now the kids are grown and dogs not puppies either, but it’s no big deal. Just don’t get expensive furniture.

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                      • H harryoru@lemmy.zip

                        Cats who get declawed are generally indoor cats who wouldn’t hurt anything but their owner’s furniture regardless.

                        Also cats are obligate carnivores, and you’re an asshole.

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                        quick_snail@feddit.nl
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                        #33

                        Nope. You’re ignorant of biology. Enzymes have been on the market for a looong time

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                        • quick_snail@feddit.nlQ quick_snail@feddit.nl

                          Nope. You’re ignorant of biology. Enzymes have been on the market for a looong time

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                          rachelhazideas@lemmy.world
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                          I know you might mean well because giving cats vegan diets with enzymes appears to reduce animal suffering, but consider for a moment that cats cannot speak to us. Cats are proficient at hiding their pain, and they cannot tell us if their vegan diet is making them ill.

                          The best thing you can do to reduce animal suffering as a vegan is not to have children. Creating fewer humans objectively decreases consumption, ethical and unethical. Have a cat, eat meat, do whatever you want, but nothing will have a greater impact on this planet than to help lower its population. Heck, even murder reduces animal suffering if you don’t consider humans an animal.

                          I’m just saying that vegan cat food is very far down on the list of effective vegan practices, and it is certainly not ethical because you cannot determine the magnitude of harm it can cause your cat.

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                          • quick_snail@feddit.nlQ quick_snail@feddit.nl

                            How much pain do you think most cats cause others, simply for existing?

                            We also need to ban non-vegan cat food

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                            discomatic
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                            You take up air others should be breathing, but we let you live.

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                            • Zaraki42Z Zaraki42

                              It’s illegal in Québec.

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                              corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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                              It’s illegal in a lot of regions. Maybe list the ones where it’s not.

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                              • M mouselemming@sh.itjust.works

                                Simply clipping the tips of the claws goes a long way to prevent furniture destruction, when combined with a scratching/climbing tree. Some cats like sisal but others prefer carpet on the posts. I have a routine with my present cat where she knows if she jumps to a certain place she’ll get a couple Dental Treats, but before she jumps I briefly check her front paws. If there’s a longer, sharper nail, I clip it, just the tip. Then I put up the treat. That way she never has to put up with more than one or two snips. I use a regular toenail clipper, but a big sharp quality one. And turn it because claws are taller than they are wide.

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                                ragepaw@lemmy.ca
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                                I started buying the paste tubes. Our cats go nuts for them. I started giving them one after I clip their nails. Now, they complain and still try to pull away, but they don’t run away anymore when I grab the clippers.

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                                • Otter RaftO Otter Raft

                                  Author: Eric Troncy | Douleur animale, bien-être animal, Université de Montréal

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                                  Declawing cats causes them lifelong pain. It’s time to ban the practice

                                  Declawing cats causes irreversible nerve damage and chronic pain. New research from Quebec concludes it should be banned.

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                                  tiger666@lemmy.ca
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                                  Declawing cats should be called “cutting the fingers off of cats so they can’t scratch anymore”.

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                                  • C corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca

                                    It’s illegal in a lot of regions. Maybe list the ones where it’s not.

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                                    blackmist@feddit.uk
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                                    USA! USA! USA!

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                                    • quick_snail@feddit.nlQ quick_snail@feddit.nl

                                      How much pain do you think most cats cause others, simply for existing?

                                      We also need to ban non-vegan cat food

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                                      nangijala@feddit.dk
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                                      I hope you stick to pet rabbists and guinea pigs, my friend. It’s okay to be vegan, but if you’re vegan and are against the type of food cats and dogs need to survive, just don’t get a cat or a dog. It is very simple. They are not vegans. They never will be vegan and forcing them to be vegan is not very vegan if we still live by the idea that veganism is against animal abuse. Would you force a penguin to eat vegetables too?

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                                      • quick_snail@feddit.nlQ quick_snail@feddit.nl

                                        How much pain do you think most cats cause others, simply for existing?

                                        We also need to ban non-vegan cat food

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                                        kornblumenratte@feddit.org
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                                        Are vegans allowed to keep pets?

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                                        • R reluctantmuskrat@lemmy.world

                                          I mean historically people didn’t necessarily think of it as mutilation, even if now most people understand it to be extreme. Many cats have bad scratching habits and people don’t know to train their cats not to do so. Some will definitely trash your furniture and people looked at de-clawing as a way to stop it vs giving up the cat for adoptuon. Are all cats even trainable to not scratch? I don’t know personally.

                                          I’m kind of curious how banning declawing of cats influences rates of abandonment and euthanization. I had many cats when I was younger, some which were bad scratchers and got de-clawed and others which weren’t prone to it so didn’t get de-clawed. I’d like to get one now but know my wife (and I probably) won’t be able to tolerate our furniture and drapes getting tore up if I can’t train it not to, and I hate the idea of adopting one only to give it up later, so I’ll likely not get one at all. I wonder if and how many get put down simply because fewer adopt them when de-clawing is banned.

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                                          whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
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                                          I wonder if and how many get put down simply because fewer adopt them when de-clawing is banned.

                                          I wonder about this, but in regards to the housing crisis. It’s hell trying to find a new place to live, but trying to find an affordable place that ALSO allows pets? As someone looking for a home myself, it seems like almost everywhere has “No pets, no smoking” as a rule.

                                          I don’t have a pet so it doesn’t apply to me now, but I know people stuck in a shitty apartment that’s falling apart, just because they adopted a puppy (of unknown breed origins) a few years ago. That puppy grew, and now even places that allow pets say that he’s too large to be permitted.

                                          I would love to adopt a pet. But this human housing situation spells bad news for strays and shelter pets everywhere.

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