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Supersized American cars shouldn’t be a barrier to Canadians getting some great European options - Why are we banning small cars from being sold in Canada?

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  • H hddsx@lemmy.ca

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    China's Chery, BYD may have to repay subsidies after audit finds irregularities

    China's Chery (CHERY.UL) and BYD improperly claimed a combined $53 million in government subsidies for eco-friendly vehicles sold in the five years to 2020, accounting for nearly 60% of improper claims, an industry ministry audit found.

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    EU Concerns About Chinese Subsidies: What the Evidence Suggests

    China uses subsidies extensively to take a leading role in the global markets of green-tech products such as battery electric vehicles and wind turbines. Against the background of the current EU investigations into Chinese subsidies in these sectors, this article takes a careful look at the Chinese subsidy system and provides new data on direct government subsidies to leading Chinese producers of electric cars and wind turbines. Extensive government support has allowed Chinese companies to scale up rapidly, to dominate the Chinese market and to expand into foreign markets. The article concludes that the EU should use its strong bargaining power due to the single market to induce the Chinese government to abandon the most harmful subsidies.

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    bcsven@lemmy.ca
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    Thankyou kind human. Edit: I will go to hell for this but China having a car company called Chery, must cause confusion if the Ch is a Shuh sound like Chevy. Maybe the naming was on purpose to seem close to the American brand?

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    • D davriellelouna@lemmy.world
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      Supersized American cars shouldn’t be a barrier to Canadians getting some great European options

      If North American vehicles are considered too gigantic and heavy to safely share the road with reasonably sized European ones, the correct solution isn’t to forgo European-approved cars

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      slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works
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      I would like an armoured bicycle

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      • S slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works

        I would like an armoured bicycle

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        fireretardant@lemmy.world
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        Doug ford will make that illegal because motorist are worried their paint would get scratched by the armored bike instead of the blood stains from unarmored bikes.

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        • M mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca

          not to mention that you’re punished for it if you don’t buy a high riding vehicle, because every other vehicle nowadays has weaponized headlights for lowbeams

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          fireretardant@lemmy.world
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          And a weaponized front end that makes collisions with smaller cars more deadly for the smaller car

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            There should be an immediate ban on assault style vehicles and all vehicles sold with black metal panels instead of wood. Fuel tanks should be restricted to 300km and transmissions should be manual not automatic!

            Shit, actually I would kill for a tiny, wood paneled, stick shift car…

            wow, guess I have to add an /s to this

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            fireretardant@lemmy.world
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            The fuel tank restriction could actually be dangerous for extremely rural parts of Canada. I’ve been stuck for over 7 hours on a rural highway in yhe winter.

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              Supersized American cars shouldn’t be a barrier to Canadians getting some great European options

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              nyan@lemmy.cafe
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              A contributing factor may be the number of American car companies with factories here—I mean, there are a few European/Japanese/whatever auto brands that do some manufacturing here too, but not as much. It’s an industry that seems to have a political voice that’s larger than its contribution to the national economy (or at least, that’s the impression one gets from the news here in Ontario). Lobbying to tweak the rules to make certification easier for American vehicles than others seems on-brand.

              If that is part of the reason, Trump may have torpedoed it, but it’ll take years for the mess to untangle itself even so.

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              • F fireretardant@lemmy.world

                Doug ford will make that illegal because motorist are worried their paint would get scratched by the armored bike instead of the blood stains from unarmored bikes.

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                slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works
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                Douggie can go fuck himself in the ear!

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                • N nyan@lemmy.cafe

                  A contributing factor may be the number of American car companies with factories here—I mean, there are a few European/Japanese/whatever auto brands that do some manufacturing here too, but not as much. It’s an industry that seems to have a political voice that’s larger than its contribution to the national economy (or at least, that’s the impression one gets from the news here in Ontario). Lobbying to tweak the rules to make certification easier for American vehicles than others seems on-brand.

                  If that is part of the reason, Trump may have torpedoed it, but it’ll take years for the mess to untangle itself even so.

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                  canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                  It’s not just you, it’s part of what feeds into the western province grievance thing.

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                  • R reddig33@lemmy.world

                    Chinese vehicles are built with subsidies and sometimes even slave labor to flood the market at artificially low prices.

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                    Kindness is Punk
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                    The tech and production capacity is good, there just needs to be stricter oversight because at this moment there are no other producers of low cost EVs and I don’t really care if they’re subsidized when the other players on the market are 15 years behind.

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                    • K Kindness is Punk

                      The tech and production capacity is good, there just needs to be stricter oversight because at this moment there are no other producers of low cost EVs and I don’t really care if they’re subsidized when the other players on the market are 15 years behind.

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                      reddig33@lemmy.world
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                      You should care where your money goes. Buying cheap Chinese produced cars results in your money being utilized to support Russia in the Ukranian war.

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                      China secretly sends enough gear to Russia to equip an army

                      Shipments of military-capable hardware expose a China-sized loophole in Western sanctions.

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                      • D dom@lemmy.ca

                        Bolt euv is relatively low cost. You can get one used for even less

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                        lemonysplit@lemmy.ca
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                        Way too expensive still. And the equinox ev was supposed to be lower msrp than the bolt then they release it at $45-$50k msrp 🤦‍♂️

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                          Chinese vehicles are built with subsidies and sometimes even slave labor to flood the market at artificially low prices.

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                          bastingchemina@slrpnk.net
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                          American ICE manufacturers received way more subsidies than Chinese EV manufacturers.

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                          • R reddig33@lemmy.world

                            Chinese vehicles are built with subsidies and sometimes even slave labor to flood the market at artificially low prices.

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                            oh noes please save me from the being offered the chance to buy modern, well built, and affordable EVs 😢

                            One more oversized gas guzzler for maximum price please. And shaft me on the services too.

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                            • S slartybartfast@sh.itjust.works

                              I would like an armoured bicycle

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                              revan343@lemmy.ca
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                              Armour defeats the purpose of a bicycle, which is being nimble

                              I would like an armed bicycle

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                              • C canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org

                                It’s not just you, it’s part of what feeds into the western province grievance thing.

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                                sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca
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                                What’s to be aggrieved about? I’ve never once heard the auto industry being a factor in western alienation. And I’ve written papers on the subject.

                                The auto industry is Canada’s largest manufacturing industry, contributing more than $15B to GDP and 500,000 good paying jobs. There’s good reason to protect it.

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                                • T twopi@lemmy.ca

                                  When the west does it it’s called freedom but when China foes it it’d called artificial tyranny.

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                                  RaivoKulli
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                                  So is it okay because the West does it too or wdym

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                                  • M mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca

                                    not to mention that you’re punished for it if you don’t buy a high riding vehicle, because every other vehicle nowadays has weaponized headlights for lowbeams

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                                    ikidd@lemmy.world
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                                    They hit me right in the eyes even when I’m driving a heavy truck.

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                                    • S sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca

                                      What’s to be aggrieved about? I’ve never once heard the auto industry being a factor in western alienation. And I’ve written papers on the subject.

                                      The auto industry is Canada’s largest manufacturing industry, contributing more than $15B to GDP and 500,000 good paying jobs. There’s good reason to protect it.

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                                      canadaplus@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                      Yes there is, especially given how vulnerable it will be to Trump messing with the border, and how it could theoretically carry on with a bit of help. That being said, relative to the amount it generates for the economy it does seem to have extra political pull, like OP said. Maybe because people prize manufacturing over services or natural resources.

                                      I’ve never once heard the auto industry being a factor in western alienation. And I’ve written papers on the subject.

                                      Really? Well, let me be a primary source for you: More than once, the auto industry has come up IRL in rural Alberta, and someone’s said “that’s an Ontario industry so the federal government cares about it”.

                                      That’s not necessarily part of the historical origin of the alienation - if you’ve written papers you’ll actually know more about that than me - but it’s definitely folded in now. I remember one conversation where I actually won someone over to EVs a bit with the fact there’s lithium in old oil wells.

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