Carney may have put his elbows down, but we need to keep ours up!

You know, I was actually relieved to hear he knows we’re not getting a full resumption of free trade.

I’m kind of fed up with Ali Express at this point. Nothing actually gets delivered. Does anyone know any other Amazon alternatives?

You know what else is unlikely? Me buying American products.

What would “Elbows up” look like in this situation that doesn’t result in a massive recession?

Well, we’re probably getting something like that either way.

I do wonder if people are expecting public smack-talk from Carney, which would never gain us anything.

I would love to have a Canadian alternative to Amazon.

Well, we’re probably getting something like that either way.

I believe a recession at this point is pretty unavoidable as well, but the impact it will have is what I perceive is within some kind of control.

I do wonder if people are expecting public smack-talk from Carney, which would never gain us anything.

This is what I think most people have a problem with. They aren’t used to a PM who doesn’t talk consistent smack, negotiate in public, or has some level of respect for the position.

Personally I find it refreshing the way Carney is moving. I may not agree with everything, but at least the logic is visible, and he is being pretty direct when he communicates.

If you are a Canadian, and have some time and resources, this is the time to make yourself the “Alternative to American tech”. I would really like to see some initiatives from the Government on this, but citizens can take the lead and get it started to show the Government there is something to invest in.

Yeah, he is nice and direct. I actually worry that will prove a weakness in the long run. The politician shtick where you use a ton of words to say nothing is popular because it works.

It’s possible we can manage a UK-style deal where we accept “only” 10% in exchange for whatever perceived concessions. Trump will probably want a much lower rate on US products, though. That would make it hard to protect our domestic industries; they’d be losing US market share and not gaining market share here.

Yeah, he is nice and direct. I actually worry that will prove a weakness in the long run. The politician shtick where you use a ton of words to say nothing is popular because it works.

Unfortunately I have to agree with this, but I am hoping he can pull something off to change that popular way politicians like to get elected. Not high hopes, rational people never seem to last, but it’s all I got. haha

It’s possible we can manage a UK-style deal where we accept “only” 10% in exchange for whatever perceived concessions. Trump will probably want a much lower rate on US products, though. That would make it pretty hard to protect our domestic industries; they’d be losing US market share and not gaining market share here.

Considering what is known, Trumps proposal seems to be free trade for the US, tariffs for the “Privilege” of getting foreign products on US shelves, and no willingness to negotiate for anything less.

I think it is possible to manage as well, but you raise a good point about our domestic industries being hurt in those conditions.

I don’t know what a good deal for Canada would even look like at this point considering I do not believe Trump is going to stop until we are a part of the US. I cannot imagine what our Government is dealing with behind closed doors, and the more information that comes out the more it seems like Carney’s strengthening of ties with other partners is the priority while we dance with the devil buying some time.

There is some alternative, you would have to search for it. I have moved to buying stuff from Canadian retailers.

I think Canadians have to suck it up and move their businesses elsewhere. The time of easy trade with the US is over and we need to broaden our trade alliances, and actually take advantage of them.

I think the recesssion is coming if we stayed tied to the ship that’s heading for the reef.

The problem is we are so coupled to that ship recession is basically inevitable. We could say today “No more trade with the US” from the bottom of our hearts and mean it, but our Economy would collapse.

Even if we could perfectly and surgically decouple from the states, we still have to deal with the rest of the world being tied to that sinking ship.

Realistically we need to be ready for a recession, and hopefully, the maneuvering being done will limit the damage.

Probably. It’s wishful thinking to believe we can cut them off enough to not catch cold when they sneeze. And we all know they have a bout of pneumonia coming.

Now if the idiot in chief caught a good case of pneumonia and cratered, there might be something to save yet.

Amazon is a logistics company, not a retail company. Replacing Amazon means using Canada Post more than it means shipping at Canadian tire.

the more it seems like Carney’s strengthening of ties with other partners is the priority while we dance with the devil buying some time

I really hope so, because that’s the only sane thing for us to do as a country

okay, cool. i buy everything canadian, or from other countries besides the US anyways. its super easy.

Then that digital service tax goes back, right? If only one side negotiates in good faith you shouldn’t capitulate.

Onward and upward to the “entire rest of the world” market that’s also looking to distant itself from the toddler peeing in his own kid pool.