Well if that choice is so bad for you then maybe don’t make it. That’s how choices work. I can choose to inject myself with bleach right now, I’d probably die, so I’m not going to make that choice. No one’s forcing me not to make that choice no one can stop me. That’s called consequence. It is beyond childish to think you should never face consequences for your choices. That’s not the same as being forced.

Lol. She did it exceptionally well for 30 years and there are many children alive today because of her care and YOU’RE going to pass judgement on her? LOL. Oh please.

I somewhat agree. But how do you make laws for forcing people to get vaccines, yet let them choose to have abortions, or refuse medical care, or eat garbage food, drink alcohol etc, for example?

Like, how would you define that on a societal level, and also have exceptions for situations the law doesnt account for?

These things dont exactly equate, but I can see why being forced by the government to get a vaccines irks some people. I think it all stems from them thinking that vaccines harm you, or cause autism or whatever. That and that we haven’t had a truly deadly pandemic or disease going around in living memory (thanks again to science and our predecessors getting vaccinated) that would cause people to prefer the vaccine over say polio. People are losing fath in institutions and we are not educating our children with critical thinking enough.

I somewhat agree. But how do you make laws for forcing people to get vaccines, yet let them choose to have abortions, or refuse medical care, or eat garbage food, drink alcohol etc, for example?

Like, how would you define that on a societal level, and also have exceptions for situations the law doesnt account for?

These things dont exactly equate, but I can see why being forced by the government to get a vaccines irks some people. I think it all stems from them thinking that vaccines harm you, or cause autism or whatever. That and that we haven’t had a truly deadly pandemic or disease going around in living memory (thanks again to science and our predecessors getting vaccinated) that would cause people to prefer the vaccine over say polio. People are losing fath in institutions and we are not educating our children with critical thinking enough.

Not sure where I stand on the vaccine thing.

I fully support science and think vaccines should be mandatory, especially during a global pandemic that we haven’t seen in a hundred years. Or, for example, measle vaccines before exposing yourself to others during a measles outbreak.

I’m also for body autonomy with abortion and what medical care and what vaccines you receive.

It cuts both ways.

In the end I think the failing here is education. Not enforcement. IMO most reasonable people would take the vaccine. The only reason reasonable people don’t is because they do not trust government or science, due to lack of education or understanding.

someone’s abort doesn’t kill a strangers kids or grand parents. Come on use your brain or stop being disingenuous.

The other comments put it well in saying that vaccines affect other people. Though, oddly enough, we do need better laws regarding what food can be sold as far as that one goes because companies making sugar-filled, addictive food very much on purpose is an action they take for personal gain that relies on hurting others.

For sure people are losing faith in institutions, and that is largely because of the critical thinking issues you mentioned and also the fact that we can’t help ourselves but elect at least a few untrustworthy people into office. The people who attended the convoy were largely Conservative voters and if they have a problem with the government they’re only going to make it that much worse by putting the scummiest people you know into positions of power.

These also aren’t really problems if you think about them or look to places that have already worked them out.

It was her job which she refuses to protect others. Sorry you don’t get points for doing your job.

The only one in there you listed that doesn’t affect only the person making the decision is vaccines. The classic quote is something like “Your freedom to swing your fist ends at someone’s face.”

I agree. I’m from Australia, and vaccinations are mandatory and required, like you will be ordered by a court, and have your children removed if they are not vaccinated type of thing. I agree with this law.

I think people downvoting here are not understanding what I’m saying, or I didn’t explain it well enough. I’m not saying anti vaxxers are right. I am saying they have some merit with their arguments, but ultimately they only think these ideas due to lack of education and critical thinking.

I somewhat agree. But how do you make laws for forcing people to get vaccines, yet let them choose to have abortions, or refuse medical care, or eat garbage food, drink alcohol etc, for example?

Like, how would you define that on a societal level, and also have exceptions for situations the law doesnt account for?

These things dont exactly equate, but I can see why being forced by the government to get a vaccines irks some people. I think it all stems from them thinking that vaccines harm you, or cause autism or whatever. That and that we haven’t had a truly deadly pandemic or disease going around in living memory (thanks again to science and our predecessors getting vaccinated) that would cause people to prefer the vaccine over say polio. People are losing fath in institutions and we are not educating our children with critical thinking enough.

I think you brought up valid points and people are kind of over reacting. I agree education is the problem but what you said also got me to see the “not vaccinating myself is causing harm to others” viewpoint. Some here are being rude instead of engaging in better conversation. Your comment got me to think and read others.

Its not as absolute as it sounds. While vaccines do have externalities (eg: protection of others via herd immunity), so do the others I mentioned:

Refusing medical care can increase long-term public healthcare costs, especially in countries with socialized medicine, luke Canada

Eating garbage food or drinking excessively leads to chronic disease burdens (obesity, diabetes, liver disease), again impacting public systems and reducing workforce productivity. You could argue that this is mitigate through alcohol tax.

Abortion is more complicated, but opponents would argue there’s another life at stake, so from their moral framework, it’s not purely personal either.

The “freedom ends at someone else’s face” is useful but oversimplified. The real challenge is defining when individual choices cross the line into collective consequences, and which ones merit state intervention. Vaccines are one of the clearest examples, yes, but they’re not the only ones with spillover effects.

So my point is how do you define that line, legally? I think it needs to remain pragmatic. Societies change faster than laws do.

If you are given options its a choice like ‘hey we value your THIRTY YEARS of service so you can work on a different unit for now, or you can take an unpaid leave, or you can do administrative work at home til the epidemic subsides’ THAT would be a choice.

If its ‘You have to get the vaccine or we’ll fire you’, thats not a consequence, thats force’ She was most definitely FORCED to resign.

What about her employers obligation to protect HER? She was there for 30 years and she had already suffered physical damage from a previous vaccine that her employer required (SARS). To FORCE her to endanger herself further was illogical and unfair.

I agree with you, but that is not THEIR perspective. Many of them believe abortion IS murder.

Don’t go into a sick field if you prone to sickness? I don’t like bridges I take tunnels figure it out. No, her comfort and what she wanted aren’t what’s best for the patients. Not that hard.

What an absurd life you must live. I just imagine you walking around all day going yeah my work forces me to wear pants. By coming to work naked they’ll fire me so they’re forcing me to not be naked. Like that is your mindset here. Anytime any consequences happen you believe you’re being forced to do something. It’s absurd.

Yeah wearing pants is exactly the same as taking a shot that MAY protect you from covid (It didnt. I still got covid, so did three people in my family who were also vaccinated) or it may actually make you sicker.

Which is why the gov has accepted admissions from 2700 Canadians who were damaged by the vaccine and have already paid out 18 million in damages to them with more to come. https://vaccineinjurysupport.ca/en/program-statistics

So yeah, thats exactly like wearing pants to work.

She wasnt ‘prone’ to sickness til the hospital forced her to get a SARS shot after nearly 20 years there. Not her fault she got sick from it.