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  • M mirrorwitch@awful.systems

    I gave the new ChatGPT Health access to 29 million steps and 6 million heartbeat measurements [“a decade of my Apple Watch data”]. It drew questionable conclusions that changed each time I asked.

    WaPo. Paywalled but I like how everything I need to know is already in the blurb above.

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    trashgoblin@awful.systems
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    Archive link, but you can extrapolate the whole article from the blurb. Mostly. It’s actually slightly worse than the blurb suggests.

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    • gerikson@awful.systemsG gerikson@awful.systems

      enjoy this glorious piece of LW lingo

      Aumann’s agreement is pragmatically wrong. For bounded levels of compute you can’t necessarily converge on the meta level of evidence convergence procedures.

      src

      no I don’t know what it means, and I don’t want it to be explained to me. Just let me bask in its inscrutibility.

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      lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems
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      The sad thing is I have some idea of what it’s trying to say. One of the many weird habits of the Rationalists is that they fixate on a few obscure mathematical theorems and then come up with their own ideas of what these theorems really mean. Their interpretations may be only loosely inspired by the actual statements of the theorems, but it does feel real good when your ideas feel as solid as math.

      One of these theorems is Aumann’s agreement theorem. I don’t know what the actual theorem says, but the LW interpretation is that any two “rational” people must eventually agree on every issue after enough discussion, whatever rational means. So if you disagree with any LW principles, you just haven’t read enough 20k word blog posts. Unfortunately, most people with “bounded levels of compute” ain’t got the time, so they can’t necessarily converge on the meta level of, never mind, screw this, I’m not explaining this shit. I don’t want to figure this out anymore.

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      • L lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems

        The sad thing is I have some idea of what it’s trying to say. One of the many weird habits of the Rationalists is that they fixate on a few obscure mathematical theorems and then come up with their own ideas of what these theorems really mean. Their interpretations may be only loosely inspired by the actual statements of the theorems, but it does feel real good when your ideas feel as solid as math.

        One of these theorems is Aumann’s agreement theorem. I don’t know what the actual theorem says, but the LW interpretation is that any two “rational” people must eventually agree on every issue after enough discussion, whatever rational means. So if you disagree with any LW principles, you just haven’t read enough 20k word blog posts. Unfortunately, most people with “bounded levels of compute” ain’t got the time, so they can’t necessarily converge on the meta level of, never mind, screw this, I’m not explaining this shit. I don’t want to figure this out anymore.

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        blakestacey@awful.systems
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        The Wikipedia article is cursed

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        • B bluemonday1984@awful.systems

          Want to wade into the snowy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.

          Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

          Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

          If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

          The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

          Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

          (Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. What a year, huh?)

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          blakestacey@awful.systems
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          Is Pee Stored in the Balls? Vibe Coding Science with OpenAI’s Prism

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          So initial experiments with Open AI's vibe-coding science tool Prism are going about as well as expected.

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            Is Pee Stored in the Balls? Vibe Coding Science with OpenAI’s Prism

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            So initial experiments with Open AI's vibe-coding science tool Prism are going about as well as expected.

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            gerikson@awful.systems
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            Ow! My Balls

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            • C cinnasverses@awful.systems

              A few people in LessWrong and Effectlve Altruism seem to want Yud to stick in the background while they get on with organizing his teachings into doctrine, dumping the awkward ones down the memory hole, and organizing a movement that can last when he goes to the Great Anime Convention in the Sky. In 2022 someone on the EA forum posted On Deference and Yudkowsky’s AI Risk Estimates (ie. “Yud has been bad at predictions in the past so we should be skeptical of his predictions today”)

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              lurker@awful.systems
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              that post got way funnier with Eliezer’s recent twitter post about “EAs developing more complex opinions on AI other than itll kill everyone is a net negative and cancelled out all the good they ever did”

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              • blakestacey@awful.systemsB blakestacey@awful.systems

                Is Pee Stored in the Balls? Vibe Coding Science with OpenAI’s Prism

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                Carl T. Bergstrom (@carlbergstrom.com)

                So initial experiments with Open AI's vibe-coding science tool Prism are going about as well as expected.

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                blakestacey@awful.systems
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                Chris Lintott (@chrislintott.bsky.social‬):

                We’re getting so many journal submissions from people who think ‘it kinda works’ is the standard to aim for.

                Research Notes of the AAS in particular, which was set up to handle short, moderated contributions especially from students, is getting swamped. Often the authors clearly haven’t read what they’ve submitting, (Descriptions of figures that don’t exist or don’t show what they purport to)

                I’m also getting wild swings in topic. A rejection of one paper will instantly generate a submission of another, usually on something quite different.

                Many of these submissions are dense with equations and pseudo-technological language which makes it hard to give rapid, useful feedback. And when I do give feedback, often I get back whatever their LLM says.

                Including the very LLM responses like ‘Oh yes, I see that <thing that was fundamental to the argument> is wrong, I’ve removed it. Here’s something else’

                Research Notes is free to publish in and I think provides a very valuable service to the community. But I think we’re a month or two from being completely swamped.

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                • blakestacey@awful.systemsB blakestacey@awful.systems

                  Chris Lintott (@chrislintott.bsky.social‬):

                  We’re getting so many journal submissions from people who think ‘it kinda works’ is the standard to aim for.

                  Research Notes of the AAS in particular, which was set up to handle short, moderated contributions especially from students, is getting swamped. Often the authors clearly haven’t read what they’ve submitting, (Descriptions of figures that don’t exist or don’t show what they purport to)

                  I’m also getting wild swings in topic. A rejection of one paper will instantly generate a submission of another, usually on something quite different.

                  Many of these submissions are dense with equations and pseudo-technological language which makes it hard to give rapid, useful feedback. And when I do give feedback, often I get back whatever their LLM says.

                  Including the very LLM responses like ‘Oh yes, I see that <thing that was fundamental to the argument> is wrong, I’ve removed it. Here’s something else’

                  Research Notes is free to publish in and I think provides a very valuable service to the community. But I think we’re a month or two from being completely swamped.

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                  bluemonday1984@awful.systems
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                  It gets worse:

                  One of the great tragedies of AI and science is that the proliferation of garbage papers and journals is creating pressure to return to more closed systems based on interpersonal connections and established prestige hierarchies that had only recently been opened up somewhat to greater diversity.

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                  • blakestacey@awful.systemsB blakestacey@awful.systems

                    The Wikipedia article is cursed

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                    zogwarg@awful.systems
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                    Honestly even the original paper is a bit silly, are all game theory mathematics papers this needlessly farfetched?

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                    • B bluemonday1984@awful.systems

                      Want to wade into the snowy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.

                      Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

                      Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

                      If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

                      The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

                      Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

                      (Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. What a year, huh?)

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                      bluemonday1984@awful.systems
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                      New paper popped up in the arXiv about the slop machines’ impact on FOSS

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                      • B bluemonday1984@awful.systems

                        Want to wade into the snowy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.

                        Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

                        Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

                        If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

                        The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

                        Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

                        (Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. What a year, huh?)

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                        corbin@awful.systems
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                        Kyle Hill has gone full doomer after reading too much Big Yud and the Yud & Soares book. His latest video is titled “Artificial Superintelligence Must Be Illegal.” Previously, on Awful, he was cozying up to effective altruists and longtermists. He used to have a robotic companion character who would banter with him, but it seems like he’s no longer in that sort of jocular mood; he doesn’t trust his waifu anymore.

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                          Kyle Hill has gone full doomer after reading too much Big Yud and the Yud & Soares book. His latest video is titled “Artificial Superintelligence Must Be Illegal.” Previously, on Awful, he was cozying up to effective altruists and longtermists. He used to have a robotic companion character who would banter with him, but it seems like he’s no longer in that sort of jocular mood; he doesn’t trust his waifu anymore.

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                          evinceo@awful.systems
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                          Wasn’t he on YouTube trying to convince people that Nuclear Energy is Fine Actually? Figures.

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                          • blakestacey@awful.systemsB blakestacey@awful.systems

                            Chris Lintott (@chrislintott.bsky.social‬):

                            We’re getting so many journal submissions from people who think ‘it kinda works’ is the standard to aim for.

                            Research Notes of the AAS in particular, which was set up to handle short, moderated contributions especially from students, is getting swamped. Often the authors clearly haven’t read what they’ve submitting, (Descriptions of figures that don’t exist or don’t show what they purport to)

                            I’m also getting wild swings in topic. A rejection of one paper will instantly generate a submission of another, usually on something quite different.

                            Many of these submissions are dense with equations and pseudo-technological language which makes it hard to give rapid, useful feedback. And when I do give feedback, often I get back whatever their LLM says.

                            Including the very LLM responses like ‘Oh yes, I see that <thing that was fundamental to the argument> is wrong, I’ve removed it. Here’s something else’

                            Research Notes is free to publish in and I think provides a very valuable service to the community. But I think we’re a month or two from being completely swamped.

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                            evinceo@awful.systems
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                            people who think ‘it kinda works’ is the standard to aim for

                            I swear that this is a form of AI psychosis or something because the attitude is suddenly ubiquitous among the AI obsessed.

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                              Kyle Hill has gone full doomer after reading too much Big Yud and the Yud & Soares book. His latest video is titled “Artificial Superintelligence Must Be Illegal.” Previously, on Awful, he was cozying up to effective altruists and longtermists. He used to have a robotic companion character who would banter with him, but it seems like he’s no longer in that sort of jocular mood; he doesn’t trust his waifu anymore.

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                              lurker@awful.systems
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                              kinda depressing seeing people fall for Yud’s shtick without realising about all the other bullshit (though in fairness the average person is not aware of the many years of rationalism lore). thankfully people in the comment section are more skeptical but still cautious, which I think is a fair reaction to all this

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                              • nightsky@awful.systemsN nightsky@awful.systems

                                The AI craze might end up killing graphics card makers:

                                Zotac SK’s message: “(this) current situation threatens the very existence of (add-in-board partners) AIBs and distributors.”

                                The current situation is so serious that it is worrisome for the future existence of graphics card manufacturers and distributors. They announced that memory supply will not be sufficient and that GPU supply will also be reduced.

                                Curiously, Zotac Korea has included lowly GeForce RTX 5060 SKUs in its short list of upcoming “staggering” price increases.

                                (Source)

                                I wonder if the AI companies realize how many people will be really pissed off at them when so many tech-related things become expensive or even unavailable, and everyone will know that it’s only because of useless AI data centers?

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                                lurker@awful.systems
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                                well with the recent Microsoft CEO statement on “we have to find a use for this stuff or it won’t be socially acceptable to waste so much electricity on it” they have some level of awareness, but only a very surface level awareness

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                                • B bluemonday1984@awful.systems

                                  Want to wade into the snowy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.

                                  Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

                                  Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

                                  If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

                                  The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

                                  Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

                                  (Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. What a year, huh?)

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                                  saucerwizard@awful.systems
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                                  OT: Insurance wrote my truck off. 16k in damage, like holy shit balls.

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                                    that post got way funnier with Eliezer’s recent twitter post about “EAs developing more complex opinions on AI other than itll kill everyone is a net negative and cancelled out all the good they ever did”

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                                    yournetworkishaunted@awful.systems
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                                    Quick, someone nail your 95-page blog post to the front door of lighthaven or whatever they call it.

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                                    • B bluemonday1984@awful.systems

                                      Want to wade into the snowy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.

                                      Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

                                      Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

                                      If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

                                      The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

                                      Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

                                      (Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. What a year, huh?)

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                                      I missed the west side screening, might try to catch noho. Can’t tell from the trailer if it will be good or not.

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                                      • B bluemonday1984@awful.systems

                                        Want to wade into the snowy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.

                                        Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

                                        Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

                                        If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

                                        The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

                                        Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

                                        (Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. What a year, huh?)

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                                        “AI blunder in Aurskog-Høland [Norway] – children received water bills”

                                        The sources linked are all in norwegian, so you’ll have to translate them yourself if you’re interested, but Patricia’s summary seems reasonable. The government authority in question had to hire extra people to undo the mess that the ai system caused. There’s a commercial vendor involved somewhere, but if they were named I didn’t spot it.

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                                          Want to wade into the snowy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.

                                          Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

                                          Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

                                          If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

                                          The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

                                          Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

                                          (Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. What a year, huh?)

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                                          fiat_lux@lemmy.world
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                                          Amazon’s latest round of 16k layoffs for AWS was called “Project Dawn” internally, and the public line is that the layoffs are because of increased AI use. AI has become useful, but as a way to conceal business failure. They’re not cutting jobs because their financials are in the shitter, oh no, it’s because they’re just too amazing at being efficient. So efficient they sent the corporate fake condolences email before informing the people they’re firing, referencing a blog post they hadn’t yet published.

                                          It’s Schrodinger’s Success. You can neither prove nor disprove the effects of AI on the decision, or if the layoffs are an indication of good management or fundamental mismanagement. And the media buys into it with headlines like “Amazon axes 16,000 jobs as it pushes AI and efficiency” that are distinctly ambivalent on how 16k people could possibly have been redundant in a tech company that’s supposed to be a beacon of automation.

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