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Epic fails to compete with Steam because “EGS is a shop, Steam is a community”, says Witchfire lead, as Epic has “nothing to do but to buy”

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  • P popcar2

    Alright I know people rag on Epic all the time… but it’s truly incredible how hard they keep dropping the ball. It’s been SEVEN YEARS since it was created and it still feels so basic and terrible to use.

    The store is drab and uses huge chunks of space just to advertise fortnite and f2p rewards. Discovery is terrible and the store is full of crypto scams and AI spam shovelware, which is ironic because Epic started off being very selective about what’s allowed to be published there. The store also feels like adware because it keeps spamming random notifications and ads unless you turn it off.

    The best part is that Epic constantly blames users for not wanting to leave Steam instead of admitting their store sucks. They keep spending tens of millions buying exclusives and giving away games for free rather than spending any time improving the store. Seriously, what are they doing over there?

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    taldan@lemmy.world
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    To be fair to Epic, I don’t want to leave Steam. It’s great having most of my games in one place. Steam has had very pro-customer policies. Even when I got some free games on Epic, if I ended up playing them a lot, I would just buy the game on Steam when it next went on sale just to keep my collection in one place

    As long as Steam keeps favoring the users, I’ll keep using it

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      The reviews are a part of the community, even if they’re not found in the “Community” part of Steam.

      But yeah, EGS has many failings, pretty much all of which were pointed out right at the start. They weren’t improved upon because Epic don’t want to deliver the best possible experience or promote the capability of the PC as a gaming platform. They just want you to buy digital shit, get bored of it, and then buy more digital shit at the lowest possible cost to them. Effort costs money so they won’t make any.

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      taldan@lemmy.world
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      Steam is the only platform I can think of where I actually still trust the review

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        The reviews are a part of the community, even if they’re not found in the “Community” part of Steam.

        But yeah, EGS has many failings, pretty much all of which were pointed out right at the start. They weren’t improved upon because Epic don’t want to deliver the best possible experience or promote the capability of the PC as a gaming platform. They just want you to buy digital shit, get bored of it, and then buy more digital shit at the lowest possible cost to them. Effort costs money so they won’t make any.

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        mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works
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        Effort costs money so they won’t make any.

        Well, at least in Tim Sweeney’s twisted mind that’s how it works. In reality, spending $100,000 to have a developer actually support the year would do way more to get long term customers on the store while coating a pittance jn comparison to how much EGS spent on exclusivity deals.

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          Why do gamers refuse to use the Epic Games Store? Former Epic exclusive Witchfire developer Adrian Chmielarz explains its because Steam is a home.

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          moonraven@feddit.nl
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          Steam is easy to use. Egs always feels slow and bloated even though it doesn’t have things to load.

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            belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org
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            News flash: epic was never anyones friend or any type of “good guy”.

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              krauerking@lemy.lol
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              Just as a reminder you still can not see the games in your library for Epic without getting the desktop app or looking at your past purchases.

              Absolutely dense how bad and how little you can do with their game store.

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                donebrach@lemmy.world
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                I mean, I got a bunch of free games off epic, and have never touched any of them.

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                  abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                  I mean isn’t replacing community with consumerism one of the main goals of modern capitalism?

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                    remembertheapollo_@lemmy.world
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                    I feel like there’s a bunch of choosing beggars in here. Grabbed a crapload of free games, games they didn’t pay for, and complaining about how they’re delivered.

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                      Almost a decade ago I was playing a game called paragon in development by epic games. The game was amazing, and then epic forced the devs away from what the game was, a MOBA, and forced the devs to make it more like a brawler with smaller and smaller maps. Epic ignored the community playing the game and acted shocked when the community left. While all this was going down, they were alpha testing fortnight, which was a plants, zombies clone with base building. When PubG took off, they killed Paragon, rolled the assets into fornite, and abandoned what fortnite was to turn it into a PubG copycat. (Highly recommend predecessor, a fan made remake from the released paragon assets with og heros, it’s on steam.)

                      Epic doesn’t have an original thought rattling around in the heads of their MBAs and C-suite. They copy what others are doing, and pray that some of the shit they fling against the wall will stick. They don’t want to take chances or innovate. Plenty of other options out there besides their game engine too. I’m looking forward to the fall of epic and EGS.

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                      They got SO lucky with that Fortnite pivot, the original game was in development hell

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                        I feel like there’s a bunch of choosing beggars in here. Grabbed a crapload of free games, games they didn’t pay for, and complaining about how they’re delivered.

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                        petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                        I have a crapload of free games from EGS that I never play because I hate starting that thing up.

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                          Lemminary
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                          Epic also has a shitty UI. Steam’s isn’t great, but at least it’s mostly intuitive.

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                            dogs0n@sh.itjust.works
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                            They don’t even do the shop or library right or well. Come on, their whole app is a joke. I’m glad their (epic’s) anti-competitiveness hasn’t worked so well.

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                            • A agrivar@lemmy.world

                              GOG is actually losing ground, in my opinion. I still use it, as that’s where I bought the Witcher games (and some old classic collections), but the launcher is SO persistently annoying. If Steam is running and minimized to the tray, I never see it unless I want to. GOG Galaxy pops to the front and demands input WAY too often.

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                              zergtoshi@lemmy.world
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                              Have you tried https://heroicgameslauncher.com/ ?

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                              • R Rentlar

                                The meme of “Valve maintains dominance by doing nothing but waits for competition to trip over itself” is funny but they do put part of the billions they make towards beneficial products for their customers.

                                • Remote Play (stream your own game from another PC)
                                • Remote Play Together (can stream a game to friends without a copy of the game and play together)
                                • Linux, Proton
                                • Well designed hardware innovations

                                Not out of the goodness of their heart but to drive sales and foster a customer base willing to return.

                                GOG and itch do try in their own way so I have bought from them, IMO they are the only competitors making serious efforts to build a mutually benefical gaming ecosystem.

                                Epic, Microsoft, Ubisoft, EA and the rest are like a trapdoor with a wooden board over it. Tim Sweeney is standing there hoping you won’t think he’s trying to find the right time to swipe the board away and get you to fall in.

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                                holytimes@sh.itjust.works
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                                Valve reinvests and does more work then basically every other major studio. It’s just a lot of back end stuff they don’t market.

                                Since valve doesn’t care about selling anything. Their service sells it self so they don’t need to shove it in your face.

                                They are a hardware and software RnD company more then a game studio too. Which is just boring to most gamers till there is a finished product or someone points out that x y or z was because of a decade of effort by valve in the back ground.

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                                • remembertheapollo_@lemmy.worldR remembertheapollo_@lemmy.world

                                  I feel like there’s a bunch of choosing beggars in here. Grabbed a crapload of free games, games they didn’t pay for, and complaining about how they’re delivered.

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                                  rucksack@feddit.org
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                                  I actually bought games on Steam that I already owned on epic. So I don’t have to use epic, can earn achievements and brag with them on steam, and support the developers.

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                                  • W washedupcynic@lemmy.ca

                                    Almost a decade ago I was playing a game called paragon in development by epic games. The game was amazing, and then epic forced the devs away from what the game was, a MOBA, and forced the devs to make it more like a brawler with smaller and smaller maps. Epic ignored the community playing the game and acted shocked when the community left. While all this was going down, they were alpha testing fortnight, which was a plants, zombies clone with base building. When PubG took off, they killed Paragon, rolled the assets into fornite, and abandoned what fortnite was to turn it into a PubG copycat. (Highly recommend predecessor, a fan made remake from the released paragon assets with og heros, it’s on steam.)

                                    Epic doesn’t have an original thought rattling around in the heads of their MBAs and C-suite. They copy what others are doing, and pray that some of the shit they fling against the wall will stick. They don’t want to take chances or innovate. Plenty of other options out there besides their game engine too. I’m looking forward to the fall of epic and EGS.

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                                    imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                    At the end of your first paragraph I thought that if Epic are taking other ideas and implementing in their own games would work well in the long game. Just do what competition does, but better.

                                    By the time my eyes flew to the first word of a second paragraph my mind acknowledged that Epic would never actually do something good for industry cause all they know is how to leech.

                                    It only took maybe 0.04 seconds or so.

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                                    • DestideS Destide

                                      Sweeney is overly opinionated and will dictate to you how you will use your products. Valve largely short of the app’s drm just gives me the games and the app just sits in the background, this is why GOG is the true contender to Steam as they have a similar approach.

                                      We don’t want to be told how to play our games, give us services to help do so by all means, but otherwise it’s a take money and leave situation.

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                                      holytimes@sh.itjust.works
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                                      Fuck even steams drm is optional, even when it’s on by default is frequently opt out.

                                      There’s like less then a few hundred games on steam that require its drm AND don’t let you just delete or turn it off.

                                      You don’t get much better then that. Companies that really want can have it and customers win in literally every other case.

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                                      • UlrichU Ulrich

                                        I don’t engage with the community at all. I don’t buy games on Epic because their launcher is ass. And last I checked they don’t even have reviews for games. They don’t require disclaimers for anti-consumer measures either like Valve does for 3rd party accounts, Denuvo, etc. and they even had the balls to criticize Valve’s requirements for AI disclosure.

                                        The fact that their CEO is openly anti-Linux is another good reason.

                                        They just come off to me like a very anti-consumer company, like most all other corporations.

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                                        GreyCat
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                                        If you have ever used the steam workshop, read discussions, guides or news. You have benefitted from the steam community.
                                        And reviews are also part of the steam community.

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                                        • G GreyCat

                                          If you have ever used the steam workshop, read discussions, guides or news. You have benefitted from the steam community.
                                          And reviews are also part of the steam community.

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                                          Ulrich
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                                          I have not done any of those things.

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