Frankly, a lot of Europeans and Canadians talking about Trump's obscene threats of violence seem to be reacting with shock that he is threatening to do to white people what the US already does to brown people in other countries.

It wasn't okay before either. America loves to start wars & kill people, & that's BEEN true.

But frequently it was in browner parts of the world, & frequently it was *with the help & cooperation of your governments too*.

You draw the line at Greenland, huh?

Frankly, a lot of Europeans and Canadians talking about Trump's obscene threats of violence seem to be reacting with shock that he is threatening to do to white people what the US already does to brown people in other countries.

It wasn't okay before either. America loves to start wars & kill people, & that's BEEN true.

But frequently it was in browner parts of the world, & frequently it was *with the help & cooperation of your governments too*.

You draw the line at Greenland, huh?

"well, I'm a Canadian, & I never supported our participation in xyz."

And I'm an American, & I don't support our bullshit either.

That's how it works. Our governments make us feel as though we have choice through voting, & then we are supposed to sit back & let atrocities happen, because "we'll vote them out next time."

I agree: you aren't guilty for the things you don't have control of. But we all have a responsibility to try to prevent harm & promote justice.

Don't talk like Canada hasn't been a faithful helper in American Imperialism.

No, it's not fucking right, the threats being made. And guess what? I have Canadian family going back literally hundreds of years. I think I actually qualify to be a Canadian citizen myself (gotta get that taken care of). I'm not hating on Canada.

I'm just saying, colonizer nations aren't innocent. Period.

"well, I'm a Canadian, & I never supported our participation in xyz."

And I'm an American, & I don't support our bullshit either.

That's how it works. Our governments make us feel as though we have choice through voting, & then we are supposed to sit back & let atrocities happen, because "we'll vote them out next time."

I agree: you aren't guilty for the things you don't have control of. But we all have a responsibility to try to prevent harm & promote justice.

So let's stop trying to decide which genocidal imperialist nation state is the worst, & let's start trying to get rid of all of them.

@artemis I do think that people have a limit as to how many things they can loudly and truly care about.

For me, it was how we treat indigenous peoples in Canada. Then Ukraine, and Palestine.

And now? We're a bit overwhelmed with the one country who has the most power in the world and wants to start WW3.

I think it's human also? We're all a bit selfish. Doesn't mean we forget our own shortcomings.

@stephanie
Yeah, I'm frustrated with something specific & trying not to hit anyone with strays here, because emotions such as anger, fear, and definitely overwhelm are certainly justified.

I have felt like some people are getting drawn into nationalistic narratives where there are "good guy" nations & "bad guy" nations & losing track of things like the fact that people are not represented by the oppressive regimes which rule over them.

So let's stop trying to decide which genocidal imperialist nation state is the worst, & let's start trying to get rid of all of them.

So let's stop trying to decide which genocidal imperialist nation state is the worst, & let's start trying to get rid of all of them.

Frankly, a lot of Europeans and Canadians talking about Trump's obscene threats of violence seem to be reacting with shock that he is threatening to do to white people what the US already does to brown people in other countries.

It wasn't okay before either. America loves to start wars & kill people, & that's BEEN true.

But frequently it was in browner parts of the world, & frequently it was *with the help & cooperation of your governments too*.

You draw the line at Greenland, huh?

@artemis right? Canada has so much indigenous blood on its hands, just as much as the US does

nobody is really "doing better", some are just "doing less bad"