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My experience with generative-AI has been that, at its very best, it is subtly wrong in ways that only an expert in the relevant subject would recognise.

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  • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

    You know what? HyperCard was a glorious moment in time that I dearly miss: an army of non-experts were bashing together and sharing weird and wonderful stacks that were part 'zine, part adventure game and part database. Instead of laughing at vibe-coders, maybe we should ask ourselves why the current state-of-the-art in beginner-friendly programming tools is a planet-boiling roulette wheel.

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    @jonathanhogg HyperCard was *amazing* and I don't understand why there's nothing like it anymore. It was like building programs with Lego. Just snap things together, write your program in a very natural language, and do incredible things. It was so easy to double click on something and add a few lines of code. I remember also having fun with the flexibility of the language and constantly trying to see what different syntax I could get away with.

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    • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

      You know what? HyperCard was a glorious moment in time that I dearly miss: an army of non-experts were bashing together and sharing weird and wonderful stacks that were part 'zine, part adventure game and part database. Instead of laughing at vibe-coders, maybe we should ask ourselves why the current state-of-the-art in beginner-friendly programming tools is a planet-boiling roulette wheel.

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      @jonathanhogg this is my central response to the "AI makes software development accessible" argument.

      Once upon a time anyone could program their personal computer using a book that came with it. We taught it to all the kids in my tiny town's elementary school. My shopkeep neighbor and our local mechanic wrote their own custom software with no CS background.

      BASIC, Hypercard, personal computers, printed manuals > LLM's.

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      • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

        My experience with generative-AI has been that, at its very best, it is subtly wrong in ways that only an expert in the relevant subject would recognise. So I don't worry about us creating super-intelligent AI, I worry about us allowing that expertise to atrophy through laziness and greed. I refuse to use LLMs not because I'm scared of how clever they are, but because I do not wish to become stupider.

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        @jonathanhogg this is nicely put.

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          @jonathanhogg

          "planet-boiling roulette wheel" is the name of my upcoming experimental jazzcore EP

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          @pikesley @jonathanhogg looking forward to watching them at EMF later this year

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          • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

            My experience with generative-AI has been that, at its very best, it is subtly wrong in ways that only an expert in the relevant subject would recognise. So I don't worry about us creating super-intelligent AI, I worry about us allowing that expertise to atrophy through laziness and greed. I refuse to use LLMs not because I'm scared of how clever they are, but because I do not wish to become stupider.

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            @jonathanhogg

            The big problem isn't people allowing AI into their work. They should fight back, you're exactly right.

            The big problem is tech bros dont care, they BOUGHT ALL the Ram, they bought ALL the hard drives on the planet.

            They intend -> no choice, there will be no allow or not allow, they are building an AI prison around earth.

            They bought all the hard drives.

            They bought all the ram

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            Or: How the AI Bubble, Panic, and Unpreparedness Stole ChristmasWritten by Tom of Moore’s Law Is DeadSpecial Assistance by KarbinCry & kari-no-sugataBased on this Video: https://youtu.be/BORRBce5TGwIntroduction — The Day the RAM Market SnappedAt the beginning of November, I ordered a 32GB DDR5 kit for pairing with a Minisforum BD790i X3D motherboard, and three weeks later those very same sticks of DDR5 are now listed for a staggering $330– a 156% increase in price from less than a month ago! At

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            AI is prison.

            #ai #AIisPRISON #techbroligarchy #resist #dems #nokings

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            • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

              You know what? HyperCard was a glorious moment in time that I dearly miss: an army of non-experts were bashing together and sharing weird and wonderful stacks that were part 'zine, part adventure game and part database. Instead of laughing at vibe-coders, maybe we should ask ourselves why the current state-of-the-art in beginner-friendly programming tools is a planet-boiling roulette wheel.

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              @jonathanhogg
              Help us get the federated wiki there.

              It is more than a successor in spirit to HyperCard.

              You would be surprised to learn about what #FedWiki does.

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              (next.ward.dojo.fed.wiki)

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              • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                @jarkman I can absolutely bend your ear at EMF, but conveniently I also recently gave a talk about it at Alpaca! 😀

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                @jarkman @jonathanhogg Would love to have my ear bent about Flitter at EMF 😀. Are you planning to do your talk there? (I guess there’s that YouTube you posted, but I kind of like live performance 😜)

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                • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                  I will say one thing for generative AI: since these tools function by remixing/translating existing information, that vibe programming is so popular demonstrates a colossal failure on the part of our industry in not making this stuff easier. If a giant ball of statistics can mostly knock up a working app in minutes, this shows not that gen-AI is insanely clever, but that most of the work in making an app has always been stupid. We have gatekeeped programming behind vast walls of nonsense.

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                  @jonathanhogg
                  Feel free to devise non-gatekept programming 😀

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                  • Graham KG Graham K

                    @jarkman @jonathanhogg Would love to have my ear bent about Flitter at EMF 😀. Are you planning to do your talk there? (I guess there’s that YouTube you posted, but I kind of like live performance 😜)

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                    @gklyne @jarkman I wasn’t planning to. As a team lead I’m not supposed to put myself up for a talk as well, though I think that’s more of a guideline than a rule…

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                    • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                      @jarkman I can absolutely bend your ear at EMF, but conveniently I also recently gave a talk about it at Alpaca! 😀

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                      @jonathanhogg Thanks! I'll absorb that and then I can ask you better questions at EMF.

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