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  • julianJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    julian
    wrote on last edited by
    #4

    The concept sounds excellent, although there is fairly limited mobile support.

    Since NodeBB is an installable PWA it would be definitely nice to have it supported there as well.

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    • Tim ChambersT This user is from outside of this forum
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      Tim Chambers
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      #5

      @julian I write about this here: near zero mobile browser support but strong desktop browser support- and I suggest a JavaScript fallback for the others …. https://www.timothychambers.net/2025/06/24/the-seven-deadly-fediverse-ux.html

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      • RimuR Rimu

        I’m going to register a protocol handler, so links to anywhere on the fedi will be opened in the user’s home instance.

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        Navigator: registerProtocolHandler() method - Web APIs | MDN

        The Navigator method registerProtocolHandler() lets websites register their ability to open or handle particular URL schemes (also known as protocols).

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        MDN Web Docs (developer.mozilla.org)

        Has anyone already done this and if so what was the prefix you used? We might as well all use the same thing. I’m thinking web+fedi.

        Evan ProdromouE This user is from outside of this forum
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        Evan Prodromou
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        #6

        @rimu web+acct

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        • RimuR Rimu

          I’m going to register a protocol handler, so links to anywhere on the fedi will be opened in the user’s home instance.

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          Navigator: registerProtocolHandler() method - Web APIs | MDN

          The Navigator method registerProtocolHandler() lets websites register their ability to open or handle particular URL schemes (also known as protocols).

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          MDN Web Docs (developer.mozilla.org)

          Has anyone already done this and if so what was the prefix you used? We might as well all use the same thing. I’m thinking web+fedi.

          die4ever@retrolemmy.comD This user is from outside of this forum
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          die4ever@retrolemmy.com
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          #7

          It’s a good idea, but fedi is maybe too broad to be useful? I wouldn’t want a Lemmy post to open in Mastodon, and pretty sure opening a Mastodon post in Lemmy is impossible unless the post was directed to a community.

          web+threadiverse could solve that issue but that’s kinda hacky. Maybe the real solution is to improve Lemmy and Mastodon so that they are capable of doing these things decently.

          I was actually thinking of making a browser extension that handles this instead. Each Fediverse software could write something to window.fediverse or something like that, with tags for group support or micro blogging. The extension could have methods to infer these values for existing platforms. But the extension could give a dialog box to redirect, based on your preferred instances for certain tags.

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          • Evan ProdromouE Evan Prodromou

            @rimu web+acct

            die4ever@retrolemmy.comD This user is from outside of this forum
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            die4ever@retrolemmy.com
            wrote on last edited by
            #8

            What does acct stand for?

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            • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD die4ever@retrolemmy.com

              What does acct stand for?

              Evan ProdromouE This user is from outside of this forum
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              Evan Prodromou
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              #9

              @Die4Ever

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              RFC 7565: The 'acct' URI Scheme

              The 'acct' URI Scheme (RFC 7565, )

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              IETF Datatracker (datatracker.ietf.org)

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              • RimuR Rimu

                I’m going to register a protocol handler, so links to anywhere on the fedi will be opened in the user’s home instance.

                Link Preview Image
                Navigator: registerProtocolHandler() method - Web APIs | MDN

                The Navigator method registerProtocolHandler() lets websites register their ability to open or handle particular URL schemes (also known as protocols).

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                MDN Web Docs (developer.mozilla.org)

                Has anyone already done this and if so what was the prefix you used? We might as well all use the same thing. I’m thinking web+fedi.

                silverpillS This user is from outside of this forum
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                silverpill
                wrote on last edited by
                #10

                @rimu

                web+ap, which was proposed by Fedilink authors. To my knowledge, it is the most widely adopted proposal

                Fedi Links

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                (web.archive.org)

                (the main site seems to be offline now)

                cc @SoniEx2

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                • silverpillS silverpill

                  @rimu

                  web+ap, which was proposed by Fedilink authors. To my knowledge, it is the most widely adopted proposal

                  Fedi Links

                  favicon

                  (web.archive.org)

                  (the main site seems to be offline now)

                  cc @SoniEx2

                  julianJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  julian
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #11

                  Are there implementors of web+ap? I’d be interested in adopting.

                  I assume the fallback behaviour is to just assume https?

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                  • silverpillS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    silverpill
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                    #12

                    @julian Fedilinks website lists 3 MastoAPI clients, but the list is incomplete. I saw Fedilinks being mentioned in changelogs of other clients too.

                    There was also an Akkoma PR, it was closed by the author: https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/pulls/589. I don't quite understand the reasoning, perhaps @smitten could clarify.

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                    • silverpillS silverpill

                      @julian Fedilinks website lists 3 MastoAPI clients, but the list is incomplete. I saw Fedilinks being mentioned in changelogs of other clients too.

                      There was also an Akkoma PR, it was closed by the author: https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/pulls/589. I don't quite understand the reasoning, perhaps @smitten could clarify.

                      julianJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      julian
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                      #13

                      The PR comments suggest that making the various changes to the backend were too large to justify, and a front-end only approach would be preferred? smitten@key.portend.place

                      It raises a good point though, where if you serve web+ap://, it’s not understood by clients that are not aware of this scheme. If there were a way a client could communicate whether there is a protocol handler registered, then the server could tailor its response.

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                      • new smittenS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #14

                        Glad to see more people having this idea! The problems we ran into were in helping the browser understand the address and know where to forward. Each server implements lookup routes differently, so there's not necessarily a generic path that you can trust is available on https on the person's home server, even if you know their home server origin. So in some ways the feature should be offered by your home server software, maybe offering a website that does the handler registration to its known lookup/redirect address.

                        But that is limiting in a few ways. It's a lot of extra steps for each person to do (browsers' default UI for registering protocols is not obvious or easy). It doesn't carry over to different devices, and if you have more than one home server in some way, you are back dealing with that not-great browser UI to pick which handler you want.

                        In general people are more accustomed to registering protocols to apps they have installed, especially phone apps. It's much easier to register them there and you don't have to have approval flow UI, but taking that approach moves this whole served handler route out of the backend again, so we have to start thinking more along the lines of web+ap-compatible servers that handler clients know how to call or bounce to.

                        @julian@community.nodebb.org @silverpill@mitra.social @SoniEx2@chaos.social @rimu@piefed.social

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                        • new smittenS new smitten

                          Glad to see more people having this idea! The problems we ran into were in helping the browser understand the address and know where to forward. Each server implements lookup routes differently, so there's not necessarily a generic path that you can trust is available on https on the person's home server, even if you know their home server origin. So in some ways the feature should be offered by your home server software, maybe offering a website that does the handler registration to its known lookup/redirect address.

                          But that is limiting in a few ways. It's a lot of extra steps for each person to do (browsers' default UI for registering protocols is not obvious or easy). It doesn't carry over to different devices, and if you have more than one home server in some way, you are back dealing with that not-great browser UI to pick which handler you want.

                          In general people are more accustomed to registering protocols to apps they have installed, especially phone apps. It's much easier to register them there and you don't have to have approval flow UI, but taking that approach moves this whole served handler route out of the backend again, so we have to start thinking more along the lines of web+ap-compatible servers that handler clients know how to call or bounce to.

                          @julian@community.nodebb.org @silverpill@mitra.social @SoniEx2@chaos.social @rimu@piefed.social

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                          new smitten
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                          #15

                          Also I want to highlight this excellent comment by Yumechi about fingerprinting and de-anonymization risks.

                          https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-07d7-a-custom-url-scheme-and-web-based-protocol-handlers-for-linking-to-activitypub-resources/3588/53

                          @SoniEx2@chaos.social @silverpill@mitra.social @julian@community.nodebb.org @rimu@piefed.social

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                          • new smittenS new smitten

                            Also I want to highlight this excellent comment by Yumechi about fingerprinting and de-anonymization risks.

                            https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-07d7-a-custom-url-scheme-and-web-based-protocol-handlers-for-linking-to-activitypub-resources/3588/53

                            @SoniEx2@chaos.social @silverpill@mitra.social @julian@community.nodebb.org @rimu@piefed.social

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                            silverpill
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                            #16

                            @smitten_ Do you know what is the status of Fedlilinks? Has it been abandoned?
                            FEP-07d7 was withdrawn, and other proposals have even less support than these two.

                            @SoniEx2 @julian @rimu @activitypub

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                            • Tim ChambersT Tim Chambers

                              @julian I write about this here: near zero mobile browser support but strong desktop browser support- and I suggest a JavaScript fallback for the others …. https://www.timothychambers.net/2025/06/24/the-seven-deadly-fediverse-ux.html

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                              Rimu
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                              #17

                              @tchambers @julian @silverpill I put together a prototype, using web+ap.

                              Here’s a video demo - https://peertube.wtf/w/r8M4KpS6yLd9H2r2oPAs9M

                              The workflow is a wee bit clunky, with the browser popping up things more than I'd like, but it works.

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                              • RimuR Rimu

                                @tchambers @julian @silverpill I put together a prototype, using web+ap.

                                Here’s a video demo - https://peertube.wtf/w/r8M4KpS6yLd9H2r2oPAs9M

                                The workflow is a wee bit clunky, with the browser popping up things more than I'd like, but it works.

                                silverpillS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                silverpill
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                                #18

                                @rimu @tchambers @julian

                                Neat.

                                @smitten_ Check it out

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                                • RimuR Rimu

                                  @tchambers @julian @silverpill I put together a prototype, using web+ap.

                                  Here’s a video demo - https://peertube.wtf/w/r8M4KpS6yLd9H2r2oPAs9M

                                  The workflow is a wee bit clunky, with the browser popping up things more than I'd like, but it works.

                                  julianJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  julian
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                                  rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz what happens if a browser that doesn’t understand protocol handlers encounters this scheme?

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                                  • Tim ChambersT Tim Chambers

                                    @julian I write about this here: near zero mobile browser support but strong desktop browser support- and I suggest a JavaScript fallback for the others …. https://www.timothychambers.net/2025/06/24/the-seven-deadly-fediverse-ux.html

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                                    #20

                                    @tchambers@indieweb.social @julian@community.nodebb.org You're absolutely right about the mobile browsers sadly, but support on mobile apps is good. The UX there is better than it is on desktop browsers too, because it can be registered in the app manifest and doesn't require complicated approval and handler selection flows. People are also more familiar with links that look a certain way opening in their related app, it's just that they expect the behavior at the host level instead of the protocol level.

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                                    • RimuR Rimu

                                      @tchambers @julian @silverpill I put together a prototype, using web+ap.

                                      Here’s a video demo - https://peertube.wtf/w/r8M4KpS6yLd9H2r2oPAs9M

                                      The workflow is a wee bit clunky, with the browser popping up things more than I'd like, but it works.

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                                      #21

                                      This is so great, I feel like whenever this idea comes up it's just so difficult to explain to people what it would feel like to use. (and why it's helpful!)

                                      You talked about changing the address yourself in the browser bar which is already easier than loading up your home server and going through the step to lookup. For me what excited me about this idea was that people could be displaying the links in pages. You often see it with a socials section at the bottom of someone's blog, they link to their profile on their server when what I want them to link to is their profile with the web+ap protocol.

                                      But this leads to another big UX problem, the links are useless if you don't have a handler registered. There is no fallback mechanism your browser will just ask you what you want to open it with and have an empty list of suggestions. So I think it would need to have a recognizable way to be communicated to the user, a consistent icon for the link and a memorable name because only people who knew they set up a handler would want them.

                                      @rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz @tchambers@indieweb.social @julian@community.nodebb.org @silverpill@mitra.social

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                                      • new smittenS new smitten

                                        This is so great, I feel like whenever this idea comes up it's just so difficult to explain to people what it would feel like to use. (and why it's helpful!)

                                        You talked about changing the address yourself in the browser bar which is already easier than loading up your home server and going through the step to lookup. For me what excited me about this idea was that people could be displaying the links in pages. You often see it with a socials section at the bottom of someone's blog, they link to their profile on their server when what I want them to link to is their profile with the web+ap protocol.

                                        But this leads to another big UX problem, the links are useless if you don't have a handler registered. There is no fallback mechanism your browser will just ask you what you want to open it with and have an empty list of suggestions. So I think it would need to have a recognizable way to be communicated to the user, a consistent icon for the link and a memorable name because only people who knew they set up a handler would want them.

                                        @rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz @tchambers@indieweb.social @julian@community.nodebb.org @silverpill@mitra.social

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                                        julian
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                                        #22

                                        smitten_@key.portend.place might I suggest appropriating the ActivityPub logo? For lack of a better option.

                                        There’s the “networked nodes” fediverse logo but it really loses its effect when made small.

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                                          @julian@community.nodebb.org I agree, that was what I ended up using in the akkoma prototype

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