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  • NiknukemN Niknukem

    @GossiTheDog You can save Key as a file.

    jesterchen42J This user is from outside of this forum
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    jesterchen42
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    @niknukem Which doesn't help if the key is additionally and automatically synced to MS. You have a MS account to login, don't you? So it's easy to connect...

    And afaik the sync can only be deactivated using GPOs - but perhaps even this is no longer a possibility...

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    • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

      It's not just the FBI, btw - MS accepts valid law enforcement request internationally. Also it's not just BitLocker.

      João Tiago Rebelo (NAFO J-121)J This user is from outside of this forum
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      João Tiago Rebelo (NAFO J-121)
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      @GossiTheDog they had a form somewhere, sometime ago, to expedite the requests, if I'm not mistaken.

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      • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

        I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

        So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

        jesterchen42J This user is from outside of this forum
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        jesterchen42
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        #7

        @GossiTheDog I remember TrueCrypt and all of the discussions regarding the beginnings of VeraCrypt.

        Is VeraCrypt now finally decided to be a legal fork? Yeah, I know, nobody cares, but before I trust MS in this....

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        • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

          I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

          So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
          https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

          gwireG This user is from outside of this forum
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          gwire
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          #8

          @GossiTheDog is it not the case that the only way to avoid this is to use Windows Professional, or have they changed that with Windows 11 as well?

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          • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

            It's not just the FBI, btw - MS accepts valid law enforcement request internationally. Also it's not just BitLocker.

            InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
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            Infoseepage
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            #9

            @GossiTheDog What's amazing to me is how many people have sleepwalked into having their user profile synced to Microsoft's servers. Super bad idea for any number of reasons.

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            • jesterchen42J jesterchen42

              @GossiTheDog I remember TrueCrypt and all of the discussions regarding the beginnings of VeraCrypt.

              Is VeraCrypt now finally decided to be a legal fork? Yeah, I know, nobody cares, but before I trust MS in this....

              Kai Bojens 🇪🇺🖖K This user is from outside of this forum
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              @jesterchen @GossiTheDog Try Cryptomator.

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              • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

                BrokarB This user is from outside of this forum
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                #11

                @GossiTheDog

                Rob Braxman has been bitching about this for quite some time.

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                • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                  @GossiTheDog What's amazing to me is how many people have sleepwalked into having their user profile synced to Microsoft's servers. Super bad idea for any number of reasons.

                  João Tiago Rebelo (NAFO J-121)J This user is from outside of this forum
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                  João Tiago Rebelo (NAFO J-121)
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                  #12

                  @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog but Microslop says it "does not provide any government with our encryption keys or the ability to break our encryption". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/corporate-responsibility/reports/government-requests/customer-data
                  (And they seem to have stopped publishing the reports after the Orange Menace barged into office)...

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                  • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                    It's not just the FBI, btw - MS accepts valid law enforcement request internationally. Also it's not just BitLocker.

                    Mike SpoonerS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Mike Spooner
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                    #13

                    @GossiTheDog Unfortunately, not *just* valid ones.

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                    • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                      I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                      So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                      https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

                      Ox1deO This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Ox1de
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                      @GossiTheDog given the current climate, this is sketchy as hell

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                      • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                        I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                        So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                        https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

                        VessOnSecurityB This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @GossiTheDog Yep. Which is why I don't have a Microsoft account, don't back up recovery keys to the cloud, or use BitLocker in the first place.

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                        • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                          I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                          So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                          https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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                          @GossiTheDog
                          Bitlocker is only to guarantee that Microsoft's beak gets wet every time your data is stolen. To who is this news? Its been clear for years, great job "Forbes". Where news goes to get lobotomized...

                          One must be an utter buffoon with what we know today, to think Microsoft in any way has aligned interests with users. They don't.

                          MS has already betrayed you. They are not your friend.

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                          • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                            I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                            So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                            https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

                            KillertomatoK This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @GossiTheDog bitlocker in all enterprise implementations I have seen always felt more like security theatre than actual security. Sure it was gonna keep a thief of opportunity out of your files, but anyone with more resources could get around it

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                            • João Tiago Rebelo (NAFO J-121)J João Tiago Rebelo (NAFO J-121)

                              @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog but Microslop says it "does not provide any government with our encryption keys or the ability to break our encryption". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/corporate-responsibility/reports/government-requests/customer-data
                              (And they seem to have stopped publishing the reports after the Orange Menace barged into office)...

                              squillaceS This user is from outside of this forum
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                              squillace
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                              @jt_rebelo @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog it's important to note that the objection here is that users should not be encouraged to store their own encryption keys on a service provider, as that provider has a responsibility to comply with legal search warrants wherever it does business. Microsoft does not "directly" give anyone keys to data without such a warrant as a matter of policy.

                              @GossiTheDog is correct to argue that a) it shouldn't be made easy to default to the cloud and b) that ultimately, if you mean to encrypt then you likely mean to own those keys yourself. Don't put them in a service that must respond to legal instruments.

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                              • squillaceS squillace

                                @jt_rebelo @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog it's important to note that the objection here is that users should not be encouraged to store their own encryption keys on a service provider, as that provider has a responsibility to comply with legal search warrants wherever it does business. Microsoft does not "directly" give anyone keys to data without such a warrant as a matter of policy.

                                @GossiTheDog is correct to argue that a) it shouldn't be made easy to default to the cloud and b) that ultimately, if you mean to encrypt then you likely mean to own those keys yourself. Don't put them in a service that must respond to legal instruments.

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                                squillace
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                                @jt_rebelo @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog the default for storing such things would be an encrypted version, per the Apple option.

                                We have no knowledge whether Apple or Google have ever given something out. I would not take that for a denial that they had.

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                                • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                                  I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                                  So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                                  https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

                                  caneToad :linuxmint:D This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @GossiTheDog Several concerns added up to make me leave M$ last year. Good decision.

                                  Happy and free, this is no concern of mine, and I will just enjoy the afternoon sun. Microsoft is history.

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                                  • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                                    I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                                    So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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                                    @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social don't keep your password on some server. always use a notebook if you can

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                                    • squillaceS squillace

                                      @jt_rebelo @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog the default for storing such things would be an encrypted version, per the Apple option.

                                      We have no knowledge whether Apple or Google have ever given something out. I would not take that for a denial that they had.

                                      João Tiago Rebelo (NAFO J-121)J This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @squillace well, it's part of how Windows works with Microsoft (online) accounts at least since Windows 8.1 (I had to recover an encryption key to help someone reset their Surface device and I got it through their user account, a Microslop support rep back then told me that they couldn't help if there wasn't a cloud backup, the key wasn't accessible to the user without it). So users don't really have a choice in the matter (no access to key at all, or have it on Microslop's cloud).
                                      @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog

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                                      • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                                        I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                                        So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                                        https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

                                        Gabriel PiresG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @GossiTheDog I don’t understand putting your trust in black box proprietary encryption software when TrueCrypt/VeraCrypt exist and are older than BitLocker by 3 years, stupid doesn’t even begin to describe it.

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                                        • Kevin BeaumontG Kevin Beaumont

                                          It's not just the FBI, btw - MS accepts valid law enforcement request internationally. Also it's not just BitLocker.

                                          Seinna SpiroS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @GossiTheDog yes true

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